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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,636 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    You haven't. You made a statement, offered up your evidence, and it was debunked. Nothing Facebook did was illegal.

    And no election laws were broken. The proof? Trump and his associates took over 60 cases and lost everyone of them.

    But it appears you have proof, that meets the legal level to deem it illegal even though no court has agreed with you. Maybe, just maybe, your second hand knowledge of the law, and third hand evidence isn't quite what you believe it to be.

    Your opinion, are not facts. Present facts. How many cases of illegality in the election have been proven?

    What laws did Facebook break? If they did break election funding laws why didn't they get arrested or sued? Why didn't the GOP governors of some of those states step in to stop it or subsequently pursue FB?

    Why? Because its all just your fantasy. No facts, just opinions based on third hand conspiracy theories dreamt up because it veats having to face the reality that Trump was beaten.

    Rejected by the voters. He was given a chance, the lessor of two evils for many, and was found wanting. He couldn't protect America, he didn't stand up for America against Putin, he didn't build a wall, he failed to reveal ObamaCare, he didn't bring back jobs, he didn't fix the national debt, he didn't sort out infrastructure, he didn't sort out the waste, he didn't clean up Washington.

    And, if you want to deny all that and continue to pretend the election was rigged, then Donald J Trump goes down as the POTUS that couldn't even protect American democracy.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,304 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    You have provided zero evidence the money from Zuckerberg was used illegally, just unfairly.


    What law did it break?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    Excellent. Why are you wasting your talents here? Get yourself to your Lord and Saviour before those evil commies who lack unquestionable belief in your opinions start throwing around facts and reality. Get those opinions to the real President stat so he can bring another court case which will surely triumph based on your opinions and beliefs. Oh if only we could believe as strongly as you, then what a wonderful fantasy land we could make.



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    Where are the links to objective, empirical evidence that would support your claims of 2020 election fraud? I have not found them in your posts. Other than anecdotal, opinionated comments that may also be found on Fox & Friends, empirical evidence of election fraud does not exist. Only repetitious, nonsense claims in Trump's BIG LIE. Repeating the BIG LIE will not fool our readers.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,163 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Out of more than 60 court cases at the state, federal, and Supreme levels that contested the November 2020 election results, where was your evidence presented? Trump attorneys did not present it. Why not? Were they not qualified to represent Trump? Are you more qualified than the many Trump attorneys and their legal firms that researched the evidence and found no legal proof?

    There was nothing of legal merit to overturn the election results in any of the states that voted against Trump. Not one state was overturned. Plus all 50 states certified the election results 6 January 2021 as chaired by Republican Vice President Mike Pence (and Trump's 2020 running mate). Are you more qualified than Mike Pence? Are you more qualified that the 538 Republican and Democrat electors that reported the election results for their 50 states?

    While Trump was still president, he asked his Republican US Attorney General William Barr to have the US Justice Department investigate the 2020 election results. After the investigation had been concluded, Bar publicly announced that the U.S. Justice Department had uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election. Are you more qualified than the US Attorney General or the US Justice Department to investigate voter fraud?

    It made no difference if the judges were Republican or Democrat appointees. It made no difference that the US Supreme Court had been stuffed with Republican controlled US Senate appointees (3 nominated by Trump). More than 60 cases FAILED, just as Trump FAILED to win the January 2020 presidency. The only thing Trump has proven beyond a reasonable doubt by continuing to tell the BIG LIE, along with those that adore him, is that they are POOR LOSERS.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,440 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    you haven't posted an original take in your life. everything is a rehash from rightwing sites.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    I agree with you that the search function here has much to be desired, but if you look back they're there and with links to news organizations supporting my contentions.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    I don't believe I have commented on those court cases that pretty much said not enough evidence was presented at the time of the state's election certifications to undue them. A lot of evidence came about after the fact... but the fact is once an election is certified, right or wrong, it's a done deal.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,690 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    No - hang on. What evidence came about after the fact?

    Because until you accept that there is no evidence, past, present or future, you will continue to have a warped and wrong foundation for any discussion going forward.

    All I can do is urge you to look at the BS you are being fed, whether it be via Fox, Newsmax, Reddit, 4Chan or wherever, and try to grapple with the hard fact that these people are spinning lies in order to grift off those vulnerable enough to believe what they say so that they can pocket the cash. FFS - look at those caught red handed. See Alex Jones - all complete b0llox, Steve Bannon and donations to the wall - all complete b0llox. Trump and his election overturning funds - all complete b0llox.

    You might feel a little foolish at first, maybe a little disorientated too, but I reckon you'll eventually feel less jaded trying to expend energy defending the indefensible constantly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Massively disingenuous.

    They didn't "pretty much say not enough evidence was presented at the time" - the cases were thrown out because Trump's lawyers did not present any evidence, because there was none. This happened time and time again. Yet still Trump solicited donations to "stop the steal" from...well let's just say they're simple farmers, the common clay of the new west, you know...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,636 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    So you accept that at the time the cases were taken, the time that Trump had already declared the election fraud had taken place, that no evidence existed?

    So you accept that Trump is lying? That he did not have any evidence that the election was rigged, and was simply making it up?

    Now, you add in that since the cases were thrown out that evidence has come to light. But since this 'evidence' has never been tested it is not evidence at all, simply an opinion.

    Why, given that Trump is still peddling the line that the election was stolen, as are you, has Trump no taken up new cases with this new evidence? Why did he stop?

    But at least we are making progress. You have admitted that Trump, and his supporters, were simply making up a conspiracy at the time. That is welcome progress



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Now, this is not a threat or wishing anything bad to happen to him. Just a question/observation. Plus, a caveat: I detest the man and everything he stands for. This is not what my post is about though. Merely saying this up front because some of my comments could be misconstrued as admiration. But.


    What will happen to the Republican Party when he dies?

    There are many pretenders to the throne. But there is nobody with his presence. There is that blonde (Aren't they all) anti-vaxxer Trumpite with the guns. There is Cruze and all the rest but none of them has his personality. And they will all turn on eachother trying to.... well.... trump eachother. So they will be left with someone who is like a poor-man's trump. Without the cult following of him but still enough of a trump to put off decent genuine Republicans who believe in traditional republican values. He will continue to be a voice for them until he goes. When he does go there will be more mayhem. Traditionally previous presidents attend the funerals. (Assuming they are alive) Obama, Biden, Clinton would probably attend along with George W Bush.

    But what will happen? You'll have his cult screaming blue murder at these "failed" and "fake" "presidents" attending. And if they don't turn up then you'll have his cult screaming blue murder at the lack of respect shown. And the pretenders to his throne will be stoking this to get those souls all over fox and the jesus "news" channels. It will be a free-for-all that is already weakening the party.


    I firmly thought that the GOP would try to distance themselves from him as much as possible over the following year or two. Looking to get back to more traditional voters. But I was wrong. Previously it was a fear of losing votes.... Now it's a fear of losing lives.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,376 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Didn't realise it was panto season when the retort is 'oh no you didn't'



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,690 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I thought they didn't bring any guns?

    Which poster here said that exactly?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The poster name is an anagram of "Be nuts too." Fitting, in an amusing sort of way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,835 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's what I've wondered as well. Trump's the perfect storm, while all his sycophants within the party are simply stuffed suits parroting his lines. It's weird, Trump's a billionaire but has had a far better rapport with the core of the Republican base than those who have worked in politics for years. He eats McDonalds, goes off half cocked in his speeches. binge watches Fox News and displays his wealth in a tacky way, with an eastern European trophy wife and a gold apartment lined with animal furs. It was funny to watch him emasculate people like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, watch them skulk off and then attempt to reinvent themselves as hard men by growing a beard and developing a confrontational persona. Their act is transparently false.

    But these are the type of men looking to take over from Trump one day, and back to your original question, what I think happens when Trump dies or is out of the picture in any other way is that there is a bitter power struggle within the party. There would be those who try to rise to the top on the mantle of Trumpism, but exactly what flavour? Anti-vax? Build the wall? Q-Anon supporter? It's such a big tent of crazy that it's hard to see any one candidate really coming to represent it, hence a struggle between different Trumpist factions. But also, as well as that, there could be those hanging on on the periphery of the party who see the departure of Trump as the time to bring the Republican party back to some sort of normality and attempt a purge of sorts. There are probably those within the party who look at the current course of U.S. politics and decide that if they don't pull it back from the edge, there soon won't be a USA to govern and their holiday home in the Hamptons will not provide adequate cover from a second American Civil War or even just large-scale unrest.

    But you can't really get rid of Trumpism unless you also deprogram the voters who are eating up all the hatred and conspiracy being thrown about on social media and news networks. You also have to address legitimate endemic concerns these voters have in the first place, i.e. doing something more about the rust belt than telling people maybe they should learn to code. It's been governments' constant refusal or inability to really tackle the austerity and the unemployment and the rising cost of living which has mainly led us to this rise in far-right politics over the years. The parallels in history are too big to ignore. We've seen it in Europe not a hundred years ago with the post-WW1 economic depression and the far-right/left factions battling it out in the streets and eventually the rise of Hitler. You'd think we'd learn the lesson, but maybe we're just doomed to constantly repeat the cycle.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,251 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    The best measurement of Trump’s future behavior is his past behavior.

    For example, if you want to understand his Big Lie, look at the now defunct Trump University. It was a fake university. Calling it one was for marketing purposes of his already existing property investment seminars.

    Trump failed to file the necessary application in New York to use a university name, or to go through the qualification processes, which he would obviously fail. lt had been open for more than 4 years marketing it as a university nationwide before NY and California took legal actions against Trump and his fake University, alleging fraud and other charges. Ultimately, Trump University was forced to close and Trump paid $20 million dollars to settle.

    Both Trump University and Trump’s Big Lie of election fraud are similar in that they are both fakes, supported by lies that serve for marketing purposes. A fake university to sell his seminars, and a fake election fraud to sell his Big Lie platform for the 2024 election.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Reports of the GOP's demise are greatly exaggerated.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    It's a brave new world when matters of opinion are to be taken as factual without evidence.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Trump University was the only thing he ever did? Trump also claimed his campaign was spied on. Turns out he was correct and all the self-proclaimed experts here were wrong.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,304 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    He also bankrupted a casino and ran some of the worlds best hotels at huge losses.


    His campaign wasn’t spied on. It was monitored by the FBI because of all of the dodgy contacts with Russians. Remember Manafort going to prison?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Yes it was spied on, and by illegal means on the FISA application to obtain FBI surveillance. You might wish to familiarize yourself with Kevin Clinesmith, and other matters that have already come out in the Durham investigation.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,636 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    I must have missed the legal case that proved it was illegal. Can you provide a link to the judges decision? Who went to jail?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,304 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?



    i think you’re taking a very broad definition of spying.


    You never answered: do you remember Manafort went to prison?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover




  • Registered Users Posts: 22,625 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Jesus your lack of self awareness is truly astonishing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    No, I'm not.

    Yes I remember Manafort went to prison. What does that have to do with the spying warrant the FBI got by lying to the FISA court?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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