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Future and potential Star Wars films - news and speculation

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,857 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Any info on the storyline for the Obi Wan film?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,912 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Any info on the storyline for the Obi Wan film?

    It's now a series not a film.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,007 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    Patty Jenkin's Rogue Squadron movie has been delayed indefinitely, but she's still attached to direct.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Is there a reason given? That's a surprise, though maybe Disney just figure Star Wars works best on TV these days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,007 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,682 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,295 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,566 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    No surprise on Johnson's stuff. But I thought the Jenkins thing was a goer. Maybe it's just as well, cos if rumours are correct and it was set in the new era, it was probably dead in the water. I'd say there were a lot of squeaky bums after the farce that was 'Wonder Woman 1984'.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I wonder when they bought Star Wars in 2012, did they think the cinemas would become such dead territory for the property? Hard not to read this news as signs Disney are putting their eggs into Disney+



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,566 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Agreed. But they have also had a big hit with 'The Mandalorian', for all its faults, and they're looking at the generally good reception that their Boba Fett show is getting. I'd say that the ridiculous popularity of 'The Mandalorian' alone outstrips the reception they received for any cinema project they've done. Although, that may not have translated into money. So it's no surprise that Disney+ is where they are looking at for the present.

    However, the Johnson stuff was probably canned years ago on the back of the reception to 'The Last Jedi' and they're just confirming it now, and the bad reception to WW1984 may have coloured their perceptions toward the Jenkins movie.

    TBH, I don't think either are suited to Star Wars.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,752 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    The Mandalorian season two killed most of the interest I had in seeing where the Star Wars series goes from here. Disney clearly viewed it as nothing more than a vehicle to set up a bunch of spin-offs. Almost everything they've announced so far just feeds into the sense they're trying to MCU-ise it: filling in lore gaps that never needed to be filled in, and over-egging the stories of characters who were memorable primarily because their appearances were brief and mysterious. Such a shame because season one was precisely the sort of tight, focused standalone story the series needed.

    Outside Johnson's potentially now-shelved trilogy (frankly, as a huge fan of TLJ, I'm now happier he's off doing his Knives Out thing), the films announced thus far don't inspire confidence and can't say I'm particularly enthused about entire series focused on Boba Fett, Obi-Wan, Andor or Ahsoka. At least the Obi-Wan one will be short and might give McGregor / Christensen some actual readable dialogue to work with. But after the embarrassing Rise of Skywalker and Mandalorian's obnoxiously fan-servicey season two... I can't say anything announced so far to follow them up has sounded like the creative kick in the arse the series needs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,857 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    the Obi-Wan one will be short and might give McGregor / Christensen some actual readable dialogue to work with

    I wonder what the main narative thrust will be there. It's hard to see what kind of an expansive yarn they can spin that doesn't cut across Episode IV. Although maybe there's all sorts of exciting stuff going on beyond the Dune Sea that we have yet to discover...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,752 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Well that’s the thing! It’s not like there’s any ambiguity or gaps left in the Anakin / Obi-Wan relationship - the films tell a complete story. This is by its nature redundant or superfluous unless they’ve got a really good story hook.

    There’s possibly a solid, modest-scale story to be told about Obi-Wan’s time in the shadows. But going back to my post above, Disney are increasingly insistent about tying everything back to the Skywalker saga. ‘Obi-Wan and Darth Vader fight… yet again!’ is hardly the most dramatic or high-stakes hook.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,682 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Actually I think Lucas left quite a few gaps with Obi-wan and Anakin: Obi-wan learning that Anakin is alive and is "now more machine than man", Obi-wan making a final attempt to turn him and having an encounter with him in his new form where he becomes truly convinced that he's lost. In ROTJ Vader says that Obi-wan once thought as Luke, however Obi-wan doesn't show much agency in Ep 3 and is ordered by Yoda to fight Anakin (which is absurd) and there's a familiarity between him and Anakin in his Vader form in ANH that doesn't line up with Episode 3. Also there's the whole rise of Vader as he hunts down the remaining Jedi and Yoda giving up. So I think there's plenty for the show to explore, even if a lot of it is just taking advantage of Lucas's mistakes with Ep 3.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,857 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I was assuming it would be largely set in the wilds of Tatooine but I suppose they'll find some excuse to move Obi-Wan around the galaxy. Maybe they could have a crossover with Rogue One, have him hanging out with Galen Erso et al...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,566 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The problem with quoting Star Wars dialogue is that it's like quoting the bible in that their is usually something else to disrupt a certain line of thinking. Vader says that he was "but a learner" the last time he met Kenobi, so that pretty much rules out any kind of face to face for me in the Kenobi series.

    However, I wouldn't be adverse to Kenobi investigating just who this Darth Vader bloke is behind the scenes. That alone would make for an interesting one off TV show. There are options for it to explore. But they absolutely shouldn't meet. There's been enough damage done to the original films by prequel stories already.

    BTW, I don't think anyone should be putting much stock in what the prequels showed. The were a bloody mess.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,752 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    The fact that the one piece of concept art we've seen (at least I think it's the only bit?) is the pair having a lightsaber duel in a fiery environment is what's set off alarm bells about what the TV show is aiming for.

    I do think McGregor probably deserves some sort of opportunity to play the role without being weighed down by a turgid Lucas script. But eh we'll see - my confidence in Disney delivering anything particularly noteworthy or interesting Star Wars wise is not very high at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,566 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Yeh, my spidey senses got set off by that pic as well. But there's so much Star Wars concept art that isn't really reflective of the finished product, so I'll wait and see.

    But I'm the same re: Disney. I've never thought that they were the right people to be in charge of the property.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,682 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Yeah but the learner line can also be interpreted as a Sith learner, which may have been how it was originally intended anyway. I mean, Anakin isn't really a Jedi learner in Ep 3, didn't they nearly make him a jedi master? I get your point and agree about the prequels but they are canon and Lucas left these huge gapping holes in them, so I don't have a problem with the series filling them in if it means doing some of the stuff Lucas screwed up properly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,566 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Mmmmm, I'd still be against any meeting between them.

    As for learner, no, I don't think he could be classified as that. 'The Clone Wars' cartoon (I wasn't a fan) had him teaching Ashoka or whatever her name was. You could interpret it as "Sith learner", but I think that might be over stretching things.

    As said, we'll just have to wait and see how this thing is handled. There's some slight wiggle room for a one off story here, but for it to be any use it'll have to avoid all the trappings of the cheap SW fan service that has plagued Diswars so far.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,912 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Natasha Liu Bordizzo cast as Sabine Wren for the upcoming Ahsoka spin off series.





  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    I might be imagining it but I can see a resemblance.

    in The Mandolorian Ashoka was looking for Thrawn - it would be cool if Lars Mikkelson played him in live action too.

    Not sure how I feel about a possible Ezra return. He made a noble sacrifice and we can’t have too many Jedi (official or not) wondering the Galaxy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭Relikk


    She'll never publically admit that the sequel trilogy was a complete failure on a storytelling level and created disinterest for anything beyond TROS, so she's obligated to keep it alive by mentioning it from time to time.

    Post edited by Relikk on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    That makes sense. I believed her like - the panic is subsiding thank goodness. :p



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I think there's scope for a few of the characters "lost" as the sequels went on, it wasn't a complete bust. Finn and Poe were the best of the rest, basically ignored in Rise of Skywalker in favour of the Rey Palpatine Fanwànk Hour; you could expand on what was, in theory, a pretty interesting character with Finn alone. An ex stormtrooper would have a lot of serialised possibility, and be an interesting perspective for a story. IIRC Boyega remains pretty enthused about the series. While Oscar Isaac played the "act first" wannabe hero Poe pretty well - when he was given something to do. And both he and Boyega had good chemistry from the few moments they had in Episode VII.

    The sequels aren't irredeemable, they just hobbled themselves with a course correction so panicked and desperate to "please fans", with all that Skywalker crap, characters were dropped so Rey and Kylo could stand around admiring the franchise they existed in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭Niska




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    Finn would have had potential if for the start he was a person recovering from the mind conditioning he had been put through since he was a child. Instead he apparently emerged as an ordinary person or was never conditioned in the first place. Last I read Boyega was berating all and sundry - except Abrams (the writer/director responsible for sidelining him) - didn’t sound like he would go back.

    Poe is pretty much pointless - which is saying something in the Sequel Trilogy. Issac, a major fan of Star Wars, is apparently in no hurry to return either unless he needs the money - his words.

    I don’t see how the Sequels are not irredeemable - they are done now and nothing can what they are.

    Personally I have no desire to see any of those characters again or there to be any mention of First Order, Resistence, etc.

    If the post-RotJ were to ignore the whole thing I would be happy.

    Would live if Keri Russell got a series as a completely different character.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    I haven’t seen the live action Aladdin yet

    Hopefully Mikkelson really is in - I wonder if they design Thrawn to be the same as in Rebels. He has an unusually large head.

    I wouldn’t mind Zeb and Hera with Chopper and Jason making guest appearances. I kind of hope Sabine and Ezra are only guests too. Don’t want it to be Rebels 2 - want it to be Ashoka.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,857 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Issac, a major fan of Star Wars, is apparently in no hurry to return either unless he needs the money - his words.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Well in this purely speculative TV show, who's to say Finn doesn't experience some delayed PTSD, triggered only once the immediate crisis' of events from the films have passed. Or perhaps he's getting on with his life, when he accidentally bumps into someone from his childhood and - boom - flashback. Lots of different creative, if not especially original, ways to bring his mental conditioning into a serialised plot with contradiction.

    I'd be very surprised if Disney doesn't, eventually, dip its toes back into this post RotJ period - once it feels the reputation and goodwill is suitably restored via all these obviously fan-pleasing TV series (shows for Boba Fett, Ahsoka and Obi-Wan; while season 2 of Mando was definitely more "fan service" oriented in places - albeit not always detrimentally). The new trilogy is obviously done and dusted, and pragmatically wouldn't expect any production to touch anything from it, but you'd imagine the door is open for some kind of new story. Can't have nostalgia forever.

    As to Boyega, last I read he was being publicly miffed his character was effectively sidelined in Rise of Skywalker - which, well. Fair point like 'cos he absolutely was. Having gone from one of the three main characters of Episode VII to a "just glad to be here" face in the background; that's gotta chaff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,566 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Thought Finn was a stupid character and made no sense myself. A conditioned stormtrooper in a strict military organisation since he was a child, but somehow the whooping idiotic comic relief of the piece? That was just nonsense from the off. He really should have been a serious, conflicted, character dealing with his past and the things he did in it (yeh I know he cleaned toilets, but let's no go there). The massacre on the planet at the opening of 'The Force Awakens' should have been the last straw for him in a long series of massacres perpetrated in the name of the First Order and should have started his journey on the road to a redemption of sorts. The comedy, if there needed to be any really, could have come from a fish out of water situation with him trying to find his feet outside of the FO.

    Instead the film makers just wanted a Han Solo stand in for the "new" characters, all of which were incapable of standing on their own two feet.

    Frankly, I'd have switched actors for the roles of Finn and Poe. Have Issacc as Finn and have him be a darker, more troubled geezer (he could do that easy enough) and have Boyega as the mouthy, hot shot, pilot with the wise cracks, which he could also do with relative ease.

    As for the sequels being irredeemable, I disagree Pix. They are just beyond saving at this point as is the whole of the ST universe. I also think Disney have realised this too, because everything they try in that sphere falls flat or is shelved/cancelled in favour of going back to what fans really want to see and the actual foreseeable future of Star Wars under Disney looks to be centred around that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Wedwood


    I watched Empire Strikes Back last night for the first time in ages and thought that the closest Lucasfilm have got to this standard of storytelling over the last 40 years is the Mandalorian.

    The sequel trilogy started off well enough, it was Last Jedi that really screwed up the new characters. Rey had her wins in the first movie and should have been left defeated by Snoke and barely escape in Last Jedi to set up a final showdown with him in the final instalment. Instead, we got that awful scene with her laughing in the Millenium Falcon while she’s supposed to be trying to save her friends from certain death on Crait which took any sense of urgency out of the scene. Contrast that with the ESB Falcon rescue scene in Cloud City where they go back to save Luke and barely escape from Vader. The actors play it straight and the light relief is left to the droids.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    It is how I felt watching Force Awakens.

    doubt very much Issac’s heart was broken. He was a fan knew these films were bad from the start.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    Nah, all Finn’s potential is gone.

    Sequels never had a hope really when they decided the villains would be a crap version of the original villains.

    without question Boyega was sidelined - but who did he sim his ire at? He specifically removed Abrams - the writer/director - from any blame. Made it all seem like he wanted to rant but knew Abrams would be good for a few gigs in the future.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    Those first two paragraphs sim up my thoughts exactly in a much better way than I previously articulated. ;) And not only is Finn not conflicted - he gleefully murders the people who like him have been conditioned against their will.

    Disagree about reversing the roles though - the films showed that Poe had no way to go whatsoever and they should have stuck to the original plan for him and have him killed unexpectedly in the crash. It was one of the few good and original ideas in the whole trilogy.

    agree too that there is no redemption for the trilogy - how did it all go do wrong



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    Rogue One and Solo are great movies (I know many disagree about the latter). They fit in easily with the Lucas movies - however there is something very Empire Strikes Back about Mando.

    I think Last Jedi is the better of the three because of Hamill’s performance and the lightsabre duel and because Johnson tried things different. Having Rey suffer big loses the second film would just have been even more aping of the OT.

    she suffered no loses at all but they were more concerned with not having a woman lose than with creating a good story for her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,566 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    None of the ST "characters" had any where to go though.



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    How hard would it have been to make a Star Wars movie trilogy not involving stormtroopers or a Vader knock off?

    Thirty years later, Luke has only managed to train a handful of Jedi. Has a son/daughter who is a Jedi (or maybe no Force powers). Republic is back but not powerful like before with a lot of independent systems (although I prefer the not so great struggling Republic in The Mandolorian). Trouble kicks off when there is an invasion from the a unknown Regions or Mandolore starts a war. (Honestly Abrams picked replicating stormtroopers over an army of Boba Fetts ?? )

    this was before Favereau of course



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    Actually I read a great outline for a Skywalker trilogy last year. Don’t know what website.

    the gist was take the big galactic conflict out of it and have it as Luke and his family (the old gang plus the kids) up against another family (rich industrialist or such) that is out for power with the heroes in the way or revenge against the heroes. Or maybe they don’t want the Jedi back?

    villains can have a private army and use Mercenaries and it could really get into the galactic underworld.

    rather than a big epic space battle of fleets it could focus on just Han and Chewie in the Falcon against a mini fleet of assorted ships - show what they can do and that would be even more epic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,857 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I know, I just love that Bart 'pinpoint' meme. Probably more accurate to say this is the moment where Isaac is unable to prevent his disdain for the direction of the story from coming through on screen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,857 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Here's how Lucas's plans for the sequels would have worked out much better than the dogs dinner we got

    A new book, The Star Wars Archives: 1999-2005, details the film-maker’s abandoned plans for the first time. The horrifying thing is that they would have made a lot more sense than bringing back the Emperor from the dead, turning Luke into a moaning wimp (though I still have a soft spot for The Last Jedi) and having Han Solo’s emo-Sith son commit patricide.

    It seems Lucas would have kickstarted the new trilogy almost immediately after the end of Return of the Jedi, mining the same furrow that the incredible The Mandalorian is working within on TV. 



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,752 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    George Lucas had his chance and blew it. The last time he wrote a worthwhile script was back in 1977 (and yes, I'm aware he wrote Return of the Jedi).



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    In retrospect, maybe the damage was done in Force Awakens in the long run (and I sometimes think not just with Star Wars, but "nerd" pop-culture itself): notwithstanding all the various plot points teased and either unanswered or had garbage explanations (classic Abrams), that film's shallow rebadging of A New Hope and its various attempts to please fans with borderline worshipful tropes kinda set the tone for this flood of nostalgia passing as entertainment we're living in. No new stories, just Say The Thing You Say, or Do The Thing You Do.

    You can definitely thread the needle and do both - new stories with familiar beats and that's where Mandalorian succeeded at its best - but Rise of Skywalker was what happened when that desperation to placate its grumpiest fans went into overdrive. It still made a billion dollars, but certainly there was no way Disney took that as the sole árbiter of success.



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    The Sequel Trilogy isn’t just the result of trying to please fans.

    it was doom from the very moment Abrams came on board (and I was a person who approved of him getting the job at the time) and you just have to watch the making of feature for Force Awakens to see it. The way they were declaring their love for this and that - I’d say those most of the day just st themselves



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    Anyways…

    I read recently that much of season 3 of Mando is being filmed without Pedro Pascal (who is tied up with The Last of Us) and that they’ve been using the stunt double in his place.

    any truth to that?

    Is there also a separate guy who plays Mando when gunplay is required? I haven’t seen all the Gallery episodes but I have it in my head that they said this and I thought that is the oddest thing - why would they need a stuntman for that?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Haven't seen this Making Of, but not sure I'd immediately classify an enthusiasm for a property a bad thing. The last Trek film before (as it happens) Abrams took the reigns was made by a director who had never seen a single episode of Trek in his life. It's a good start to have a production team enthused or attentive to the property.

    Anyway. None of us can know the inner thinking of Disney executives pre 2017,but I'd make a fairly bold guess that after the now well-documented and prosecuted prequels, the Mouse House wanted a safe, Sure Thing to show the world hey, we get Star Wars. Enter the the nerd in Hollywood with biggest clout. With a habit of teasing with no payoff but that's another segue again.

    Apparently Pascal has played Mando, helmeted up with the exception of stunt work. TBH I can't say I've ever noticed the benefit of it, so if it's "just" a stand in for a spell, cool



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    It wasn’t enthusiasm believe me. Having people who Trek around Abrams didn’t help - for all his talk about the Prequels you’d think Pegg would have known better.

    I can understand wanting to play it safe - coping so much of the OT and the Expanded Universe was going too far.

    I know Pascal plays Mando in the helmet but I’m certain that in the behind scenes series that they talk about a second stuntman who does all the action involving blasters.

    are you saying you don’t see the benefit of Pascal playing the character when the helmet is on? If he didn’t then he wouldn’t be the star. Can’t have hi. Do just voice and the occasional appearance.

    I was expecting Mando to go without the helmet more in season 3 (with Bo-Katan explaining more about Death Watch early on) and Mando questioning all he was thought. Having a stuntman in his place - if it true - probably means I’m wrong.



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