Lidl: 10c for used bottles and cans [Expired]

Crushed ones are not taken in Germany, they have to be in pretty much perfect condition at the barcode area of the can to be read for the refund amount. It will lead to people needing to waste more time and burn more energy requiring more food input so brings its own CO2 emissions cost, an absolute joke of a solution which is already being catered for by green bin recycling.

Worst thought out recycling scheme in the history of the country, fixing a problem that isn't there and creating so many new ones like mass congestion at retail outlets.

I would rather walk on a beach covered in empty cans than broken beer bottles. Young lads out drinking are not going to want to lug empty cans home, and keep them perfectly intact, with MUP cheap beer will be the same price in glass bottles and cans, and so it seems obvious to be that they will switch to glass bottles, they might not even have enough pocket money to cover the deposit when buying.

This document is very good https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/committee/dail/32/joint_committee_on_communications_climate_action_and_environment/submissions/2018/2018-01-17_discussion-paper-ibec_en.pdf

Unintended consequences for consumers

Another possible unintended consequence of a deposit return scheme would be the ending of the free kerbside recycling bin for householders or imposition of new charges for its collection. Removing easily recycled (and valuable) packaging materials like aluminium and plastic bottles (PET) from our green bins, would dramatically increase processing costs. If the more valuable materials such as aluminium cans and plastic bottles are removed from our recycling bins and brought into a separate deposit and return system, the costs to the waste collectors will inevitably increase. This will have an impact on the costs of treating material from the recycling bin. Packaging producers in a separate deposit return scheme will no longer pay into the central Extended Producer Responsibility scheme at the existing levels. This would reduce the money available to support collecting the recycling bin. It would thereby bring into question the viability of a free collection, sorting and treated for recovery and recycling of the kerbside recycling bin

Fraud

A deposit return scheme would potentially pay out more than it takes in, because packaging from Northern Ireland will enter the system unless there is country-specific labelling on every container. With 231 entry points between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, and the free movement of people, it seems highly likely that substantial returns would be given to consumers who have not paid a deposit. Deposit return fraud could undermine the economic viability of any deposit return Scheme in the Republic of Ireland, while also reducing substantially the funding supporting collection, sorting and treatment for recycling and recovery. 

In other countries where it runs successfully do people leave tonnes of rubbish beside full bins? I've seen people looking through bins in other countries to find returns they always leave the place tidy, Irish people can't even leave the bin areas tidy before people start rummaging in them for the valuable bits and they won't clean up after themselves here if they do find returns.

How can it have a similar impact as the plastic bag levy when it'll increase the cost of recycling? When the valuable products are removed from the recycling stream the cost of collection is going to shoot up. This could lead to even more rubbish as people will just dump their recycling waste now, people dump electrical items and they've already paid for it's collect through WEEE.

It's not as if you are getting anything in return for bringing the can/bottle back as you've already paid the money when you bought it.

Never seen this is any other Lidl - it should be widespread tbh.

Which is the crux of the stupidity of it. Currently they are collected at your house, and that’s for a paid service. The scheme is a bit nonsensical at the moment.

Glass isn't, in most areas (and those that have it will continue for jars). You will still be able to put cans in the recycling bin if you wish, but you won't get the deposit back.

The point is that absolutely vast quantities of these don't make it to recycling bins. That'll change, albeit some of it may be due to people picking through bins and making more of a mess in doing so, looking for them - I have seen this happen to apartment bins in Oregon.

If this was brought in before we had already had green bins for household mixed recyclables and a fleet of a thousand or so vehicles around the country that carry the mixed recyclables which subsidises the cost of household waste collection it would be a great idea, now it's a complete and utter joke destroying a successful system already in place. Having to bring the plastic bottles and cans in a non-crushed condition will also require households to devot additional space in their homes to store it all prior to then bringing them to the recycling machine.

Yes but it's long gone, 30 plus years gap that systems are now in place to handle.

Who will pay for the redundancy payments to existing staff working for recycling companies?

The scheme is identical to those in operation in half of Europe already. It works there