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New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,642 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I live in the UK so that's where my opinion comes from. Mainstream conservatives in the US fomented a fascist insurrection only this year. The ad hominem attacks and attempts to shut me down are just vindication more than anything else.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This is now the third time (and final time) I've posted the source.

    In fact, Media Guido himself posted the source yesterday.

    He is quoting BARB figures, which are available daily on its official website.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,642 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,705 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Figures available to subscribers only, so the vast majority of people have no idea if they're true.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nigel Farage ventured out to the English Channel to observe the migrant crisis this morning, and expecting a special report on the issue tonight at 7pm.

    And he's spot on when he says that no other TV channel is reporting on the matter sufficiently. GB News is leading this issue in ways that other channels are singularly failing to do.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,863 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    And now for the 3rd time you will be told that those snapshots don't accurately tell the picture as those are not the figures for BBC news or show anything more than a tiny glimpse of a wider poorer picture for GBNews



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You've asked about a dozen times for the source. Source has since been provided.

    Now the goalposts shift, predictably.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,863 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    No nothing has changed. We have seen the Barb figures many times before. I never said his were fake but they should not be used to show GBnews is outperforming BBC or is on a successful trajectory



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,479 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I'm sure they are true, but they are isolated data points for a single evening last week and as such don't tell anything like the full story.

    Also incredibly misleading and disengenuous is the selective use of language to suggest to the casual reader that the GB News show at 6pm attracted numbers comparable to the BBC 6pm news bulletin when in fact all they managed was to get about 2/3rds of the viewers who watched that program on the BBC News channel and not its primary broadcast outlet BBC1 which has at least 25 times more viewers.

    If that tweet was an advert it would be the subject of many complaints to Advertising Standards, which would be upheld.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,620 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Also needs to be taken into consideration that GB News' biggest show Farage beats BBC News in the hour after BBC News' biggest show (the news at 6pm).

    It's like celebrating that you can run faster than Usain Bolt who is just walking back to the locker room after having completed his run.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nobody suggested the BARB figures he cited "told the whole story".

    The purpose of the figures was to demonstrate that GB News was outperforming rival TV channels, including Sky News and others, that night - nothing more. No great extrapolations into the next 6-months; that's just invented on here as a way to dismiss how well GB News performed that night.

    In July, we were told that Farage would never reach 170k+ again. He did - and when he does, we get all manner of obfuscation trying to explain it away or to dismiss it by comparing it to Graham Norton on Friday night.

    And yes, it's not the same as 700,000 viewers from Channel 4.

    But how long is Channel 4 around?

    GB News is only 5-months in existence.

    The argument isn't that GB News is somehow already the equal of other stations. It's a baby in comparison. That's short-sighted and stupid. Comparing BBC1 YouTube subscribers to GB News is equally stupid because GB News is a new start-up, not some generations-long organization. It's to argue that, after just 5-months, it's doing respectably well - often outperforming rival channels.

    Nothing less, nothing more.

    It's about saying that, if that's what they can do in 5-months, imagine what they could do with 5-years?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,863 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,479 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's about saying that, if that's what they can do in 5-months, imagine what they could do with 5-years?

    All well and good , but the fundamentals remain absolutely unchanged.

    Each and every week since launch they have had less viewers than the week before - That is an absolute incontrovertible fact.

    Given that they have this "tent-pole" show with Farage that from time to time gathers a reasonable level of viewers in the explicit context of dedicated "news" channels they have thus far failed utterly to convert those brief periods of increased viewers into a sustained audience across the weeks.

    The data shows absolutely zero evidence of growth or even simply stability - They cannot even speak to advertisers and say "we have X viewers each week" because they have not yet established a "baseline" performance as the figures show a decline every week.

    Every channel will have peaks and troughs in their viewing patterns - Weather, time of year, Guests announced, the subject being covered etc. will all have an impact up or down. However the least they know is what their operating range is - GB News don't have that yet.

    If the audience exists and they provide the desired product for that audience then they will find a level and operate there.

    Thus far the evidence would suggest that one or other (or both) of those things aren't there right now for GB News.

    The other "established channels" are very much larger yet still are not profitable so the facts are that even if we "imagine what GB News could do in 5 years" and they became the largest news channel in the UK, they almost certainly won't be profitable and as such will still require frequent and substantial cash injections from their financial backers.

    As I and many others have said - GB News continued existence is entirely dependent on the willingness of its backers to continue to spend money without return. How long that lasts is entirely up to them.

    Those are the facts, nothing more, nothing less.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    • That night, Colin Brazier (formerly of SkyNews) hoovered up 128,000. SkyNews, at the same time of 8pm, had just 33,000.
    • That night, Nigel Farage hoovered up 171,000 compared to a meagre 71,000 with SkyNews.
    • That night, even boring Michelle Dewsbury managed to hoover up 127,000 compared to 71,000 with SkyNews.

    This isn't a small victory for GB News; it's a comprehensive punch in the face to SkyNews.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,056 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Irrefutable facts*! Look. A graph




    *(Not really a fact)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,642 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It really isn't. It's nothing despite your repeated attempts to abuse the figures.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,620 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Once again, as has been pointed out numerous times, Sky News can afford poor ratings. It doesn't depend on ratings to be sustainable as it's part of the overall package, and is only a small part of 'Sky'.

    GB News is GB News in its entirety. It requires viewers to remain sustainable, as otherwise backers and advertisers won't continue to fund it. GB News doesn't have Sky News' overheads, but it also doesn't have the warchest and backing that Sky News does. And the viewing numbers and audience retention when people do tune in, and impact they're having on public discourse, aren't significant.

    I saw a clip last night of Dan Wootton's show, where the panel were nominating "Great Britons". One panellist chose JK Rowling because of her anti-trans rhetoric. Another chose Edinburgh police because they were advising people not to post JK Rowling's (easily publicly available considering she lives in a castle) address online. And the other chose David Ginola (not British) because he looks good with his shirt off.

    GB News is an embarrassment. And yourself and Mister Anarchy can talk about how posters here are "spewing bile" about the channel and whatnot, but that's the level of "news channel" you're championing. It's a ridiculous channel, and it's not bile to say that, it's simply reality.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's worth noting that the Greatest Briton section is very tongue-in-cheek, and not meant to be taken seriously; sort of comic relief. If you're taking it seriously as a means to attack the channel, that's pretty desperate stuff all the same.

    Meanwhile, Farage continuing to report from the scenes of illegal migrant crossings. Should be a very interesting report tonight from 7pm.




  • Registered Users Posts: 25,537 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    And what were the average viewing figures of GBEEBIES and those other channels for the seven days previous and seven days since?




    pssssst, this is where you claim to be using Windows 95 on a spectrum z5 and cannot access/find that data




  • Registered Users Posts: 33,620 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Oh I got that it's meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but just because something is meant to be tongue-in-cheek, doesn't mean it succeeds at it. Again, I felt embarrassed for the people involved, even before the David Ginola one. The Ginola one pushed the tongue way the f*ck out of cheek.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,642 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    They know they've backed a failure and they know it's doomed so any dissent is couched in extreme rhetoric. The market just isn't there for professional moaners complaining about today's youth culture or whatever woke is supposed to be. I recall Eskimohunt posting a source from YouGov which showed that 15% of Britons are anti-woke and they then proceeded to dismiss their own link.

    I find it a bit curious that so many people wanted their own echo chamber and then can't be bothered to watch it because "the left" don't watch TV and therefore can't get triggered by the same aul sh*te we've been hearing non-stop in the UK for several years now. They might as well have launched a radio channel but then someone might have listened to it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,537 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Farage will be creaming his pants tonight at this news.

    Several migrants killed after boat sinks in Channel, French officials say


    https://f7td5.app.goo.gl/DHcGb8



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,479 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Meanwhile, Farage continuing to report from the scenes of illegal migrant crossings. Should be a very interesting report tonight from 7pm.

    As has been repeatedly pointed out - the act of crossing the sea and claiming asylum IS NOT ILLEGAL.

    Unwanted , undesirable , unacceptable - Those would all be valid and debatable statements regarding what is happening , but ILLEGAL is not one of them.

    And even if they are found to not have valid grounds for claiming asylum once processed , they STILL haven't done anything illegal by making the attempt.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,863 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    How do you know they are illegal. Claiming asylum as a refugee is covered in international law.

    Some may be found by the court to be not eligible for asylum but you can't know that from a picture. Even Farage doesn't say illegal in his tweet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,554 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    "So called" migrant crisis. Is this even a story? Most countries in Europe have refugees or asylum seekers arriving into their territory every day of the week and putting in a claim for asylum (as does the US, Canada, Australia etc). Even Ireland has around 160 asylum claims per week, all year round.

    Where is the actual story or 'crisis' here?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,554 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    100% - the only reason these migrant crossings are even being reported by the British media every day is because the far right (e.g. Farage, Patel) are pushing them to report it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    It's good that you stopped talking about yourself in the third person. Thought it was a different person in your account for a sec.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,863 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's even sad that everyone now uses the term "migrant" crossing. I have to admit Farage won that one. Migrant crossings are lads going from Rosslare to Hollyhead or Shannon to Stansted

    These are refugee crossings at least until proven otherwise by a court



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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,625 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    A graph with an actual source, what is this madness!



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