Climate Bolloxolgy.

Your living in a dream world your quoting rubbish most of the time

For all the talk in this thread about lab-grown meat I don't believe that is going to be the future. I think it will be insect protein. That probably repulses a lot of people (especially in the western world) but it ticks a lot of boxes.

Per kg of protein produced vs beef:

• Requires a much smaller footprint
• Requires less feed
• Produces less greenhouse gases
• Requires far less water
• Is no less nutritious
• Are already eaten by 2 billion people around the world

Right now it's more expensive as the industry is in its infancy in comparison to the conventional meat industry but that will change in the same manner as any other new industry.

with ice-cream! how bizarre

Surprised it's not done in a big way to produce farmed fish food - rather than just hoovering up everything from the ocean ..

Honestly can't see how lab meat could get approval in Europe, since they want to cut down antibiotic use and have baned using growth hormones in meat production as it is. Will be much easier in other regions like the States but I think very unlikely here.

It's not one or the other. Any greenhouse gas reduction solutions will need to tackle all of those areas that you mentioned. Flights will need to reduced if an alternative fuel source cannot be found for them. Factories will need to stop belching out so much greenhouse causing gases. As for the cows, if it really was only "a few" or even only a few million there wouldn't be any issue but there are about a billion of them now.

As a matter of interest how many ruminants should exist in the world if humans didn't wipe out the wild ones and replace them with domestic ones?

It's estimated that there are less cattle today in the US than there were larger buffalo before the Europeans arrived. Would Europe or other regions be much different? Could be argued that rumination is a natural process with and should not be compared to the many unnatural sources of carbon in the world today.

Frankly, yes. Our own country, for example, was covered in forests prior to humans arriving here. I'd be very surprised if the total number of ruminants on the planet is not dramatically higher now then at any other time in history.

Well you speculated on a matter without any evidence to back up your musings so you can't really complain that my response also did not have any evidence.

By the way you also didn't back up your claim about buffalo - it doesn't appear to be true. Currently there are nearly 100 million cattle in the USA alone whereas the largest estimate for buffalo in North America appears to be around 60 million.

As for Europe. It was once covered in forest but that has been mush reduced over time. There's plenty of evidence for that but here's one of the first that I found

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Howya frankly now I'm not sure if you are aware but there's way more methane emissions from fracking alone than there is methane produced by cattle. Soooooooo in answer to the what ifs and maybes I think it is very plain it's a case of one over the other when it comes to pollution

I've seen different estimates of between 50 - 80 million buffalo, but in case you didn't notice they are considerably bigger than modern cattle so produce more methane through rumination. Also they are the ones that were wiped out entirely, nearly all other wild ruminants in North America have also been vastly reduced.

Even taking the most conservative figures of 50 million, the pre-settlement wild ruminants produced 86% of modern day farming figures. Today's wild ruminants only 4.3% of that figure.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22178852/

Plenty of very large wild ruminants missing from Europe, Africa and Asia such as Irish Elk, Auroch, Bison etc, each producing much more methane than a modern domestic cow.

Interesting Europe has needed to reintroduce wild cattle to protect biodiversity due to declining animal husbandry in many areas. https://rewildingeurope.com/rewilding-in-action/wildlife-comeback/tauros/

Perfect sensible post . And just to add to that the fact that if supermarkets weren't driving price's into the ground we are more than capable of producing a large share of our own fruits and vegetables

Wild Ruminents in their native land tend to better adapted to native ecosystems and work in harmony with them - thats why some are suggesting bringing back the "Buffalo Commons" to the US prairies

Ya Probably the best thing imo anyone can do from a climate point of view is to eat more local produce it's madness what is going on at the moment