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RTE Investigates programme on greyhound racing industry

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  • #3352
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    xckjoo wrote: »
    There's plenty of sampling techniques that can be done to get accurate estimations of this kind of thing. They just continuously hide behind a wall of ineptitude and expect it to be acceptable behaviour. That's my biggest issue. I don't have a problem with greyhound racing as a concept, but the dogs welfare should be at the forefront of the sport. If the IGB can't handle it then they deserve to be hauled over the coals.

    Agreed on the pet dogs thing. The optimist in me thinks we're getting better as a nation for this but maybe not. But as you said, it's for another discussion.

    Thankfully, it is being done now. The Stud Book (ICC) has to be notified when a dog leaves our care, retires or dies.


  • #3353
    [Deleted User]
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    Discodog wrote: »
    If all the "unaccounted for" dogs were alive we would be knee deep in Greyhounds.

    The IGB have repeatedly lied in the past & hidden data so why should we trust them now?

    I never knew that greyhounds were immortal!

    Very few live beyond 10 years. Though, I’ve had a 14 and a 15 year old.


  • #3354
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I never knew that greyhounds were immortal!

    Very few live beyond 10 years. Though, I’ve had a 14 and a 15 year old.

    According to the IGB 15000 puppies were born each year. So according to you there should be 150,000. Even with an allowance for premature death there should be Greyhounds everywhere. But strangely you rarely see them.


  • #3355
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Discodog wrote: »
    According to the IGB 15000 puppies were born each year. So according to you there should be 1.5 million. Even with an allowance for premature death there should be Greyhounds everywhere. But strangely you rarely see them.

    Check your maths!


  • #3356
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    jackboy wrote: »
    Check your maths!

    Corrected but it's still a huge figure. Do you know where they are?


  • #3357
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Discodog wrote: »
    Corrected but it's still a huge figure. Do you know where they are?

    No, don’t know the breakdown of where they are. Of course accurate figures and a breakdown of where they are would be useful.


  • #3358
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Discodog wrote: »
    According to the IGB 15000 puppies were born each year. So according to you there should be 150,000. Even with an allowance for premature death there should be Greyhounds everywhere. But strangely you rarely see them.

    About 6,000 are exported to the Uk every year.
    Greyhounds aren’t let run loose. On my premises alone, I would have an average of 25 greyhounds of all ages at any one time.
    Dogs do eventually die.


  • #3359
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Trouble is people actually believe this sh1te. The vast majority of greyhound owners wound never stoop so low.

    I see you are still peddling these lies months later. Did you ever manage to come up with an explanation as to why 15 out of 30 knackeries were offering a service to shoot greyhounds? That's 50% of all knackeries in the country yet you're still on here pushing the spin that it's only a minority of owners who are the problem. Sorry Maryanne but the facts clearly state other wise.

    Plus I'm not sure how you feel you have the authority to speak for the actions of all greyhound owners nationwide and claim to know what they are up to. Do you visit them all weekly or something, constantly sulking around their property so you can then come onto boards and claim they are all decent skins ? You must be very busy.


  • #3360
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    I see you are still peddling these lies months later. Did you ever manage to come up with an explanation as to why 15 out of 30 knackeries were offering a service to shoot greyhounds? That's 50% of all knackeries in the country yet you're still on here pushing the spin that it's only a minority of owners who are the problem. Sorry Maryanne but the facts clearly state other wise.

    Plus I'm not sure how you feel you have the authority to speak for the actions of all greyhound owners nationwide and claim to know what they are up to. Do you visit them all weekly or something, constantly sulking around their property so you can then come onto boards and claim they are all decent skins ? You must be very busy.

    Knackeries can no longer put greyhounds, or other dogs, down. Same goes for Pounds and Vets.

    I know enough greyhound folk, and have spent time at their homes/kennels to know that they’re decent folk who care for their animals same way as I care for mine.


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  • #3361
    wardides
    Registered Users Posts: 768 ✭✭✭wardides


    Just the 25 Greyhound meetings tomorrow, with an average of 10 races per meeting. Average of 5 dogs per race, that's just the 1,250 dogs on a track tomorrow.

    First race at 8.12am. That's your issue.

    It's not an industry built out of love for animals. Rotten industry ran and participated, mostly, by people who are led by one thing - Money. Dog welfare far down the agenda.


  • #3362
    Hellrazer
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I thought that it was released? It shows that the figure unaccounted for is about the right figure for coursing dogs. There would a number of pups reared in Ireland but never race here, being English owned and raced.

    No it was never released. But you did mention that there are 2000 dogs coursing at the minute.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    There is no truth in that statistic as it doesn’t account for
    (A) Dogs retired as pets with owners
    (B) Dogs that are bred for coursing
    (C) Dogs that have been sold, mainly to the Uk, but other Europe countries, eg Sweden

    “ At the moment, there are 3,600 greyhounds in the country. In 2018, there were 2,344 litters. We send about 6,500 greyhounds to England every year.
    There are about 2,000 greyhounds coursing. Those are the current figures.”
    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/joint_committee_on_agriculture_food_and_the_marine/2019-07-09/7/

    Ok Ill use these figures in a minute.
    gozunda wrote: »
    Indeed it does and it is correct. The figures give to data from 2016 which gave 139 dogs pts or died due to injuries etc and yes that rate amounts to a figure of 0.14%. In 2015 the rate was 0.13%

    If you read the thread this has already been gone over many times.


    As for the claim that 6000 are killed according to some - again this has been detailed in this thread many times

    This from nearly 5 months ago. It still stands

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110544891&postcount=350

    6,000 were not 'killed'. UP to 6,000 aren’t accounted for from age 3 months.

    So again

    The dogs detailed were unaccounted - and not 'killed' as is repeated by the usual screamers and then repeated ad nauseam without checking. The previous system of recordings that dogs sold etc that where dogs were sold that recording that was not required. Afaik that is now changed

    Whatever the failings of the IGB using ****e like that to continuously misrepresent the actual facts is puerile at best.


    Fair enough.
    However something is still off with those figures.

    Its still not adding up for me.

    Lets take the number for 2018 that Mary linked to in a previous post.

    2344 Litters--Greyhounds can have up to 10 pups.So Ill be conservative here and say there was 16,408 pups born (average of 7 per litter)
    16408 - 6500 (UK Export) - 3600 (Ireland) - 2000 (Coursing) = 12,100

    Theres still a shortfall there of 4300 pups born in just 2018 alone.

    Can you or Mary answer where those 4300 dogs are?
    Were they exported? Sold to China for food?
    Or just shot in the head.

    Its all well and good saying something has been discussed already in the thread and then just linking me to a post that just says they were "unaccounted for" and not killed.

    That's just deflecting from the point I made about 4300 dogs just missing.

    Im not making up figures here--Im using the ones that Mary a supporter of this "sport " supplied here on thread.

    I still call bull**** on the fact that dogs are not being "accounted " for and are just "missing"


  • #3363
    Hellrazer
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Mary - Apologies it was released.

    https://www.igb.ie/globalassets/talking-dogs/pr/preferred-results---igb-organisation-restructuring-report---pages-1---65-compressed.pdf

    And for what its worth Id much rather believe whats in that report having read it in its entirety than listen to the IGB that just decided they didn't agree with the figure.

    I would suggest that everyone read it especially pages 26-30


  • #3364
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    No it was never released. But you did mention that there are 2000 dogs coursing at the minute.
    Ok Ill use these figures in a minute.
    Fair enough.However something is still off with those figures.Its still not adding up for me.
    Lets take the number for 2018 that Mary linked to in a previous post.2344 Litters--Greyhounds can have up to 10 pups.So Ill be conservative here and say there was 16,408 pups born (average of 7 per litter)
    16408 - 6500 (UK Export) - 3600 (Ireland) - 2000 (Coursing) = 12,100
    Theres still a shortfall there of 4300 pups born in just 2018 alone.Can you or Mary answer where those 4300 dogs are?Were they exported? Sold to China for food?Or just shot in the head.
    Its all well and good saying something has been discussed already in the thread and then just linking me to a post that just says they were "unaccounted for" and not killed.That's just deflecting from the point I made about 4300 dogs just missing.Im not making up figures here--Im using the ones that Mary a supporter of this "sport " supplied here on thread.I still call bull**** on the fact that dogs are not being "accounted " for and are just "missing"

    No one is being obtuse here Hellrazer - but the fact remains that the figures are not there simply because detailed records were not kept at that time.

    We can speculate and pull figures out of the air tbh until the cows are blue in the face ( sorry to mix metaphors) - and throw in any amount of daft assertions - such as dogs beeing sent to china for food. Even the RTE footage did not show greyhounds being used as food. As I've said already I've nothing to do with greyhounds - but absolutely nothing I've ever read even suggests dogs were evet sent there for that purpose and frankly it makes no sense whatsoever.

    Yes again from what I've read and learned about this there are other factors such as mortality and yes even dogs put to sleep because of illness etc. My neighbours dog had a litter of 5 pups last year - one was born dead and another died of an infection at 8 weeks. Litter size can vary widely afaik. Anything from two upwards - so using figures skewed towards bigger litter sizes will not help any calculations. I also know dogs were surrendered to pounds in the past for a variety of reasons. The point is there are any amount of ways of coming up with widely different figures. Unfortunately it helps nothing

    The data now has to be recorded. To me that is the most important issue coming out if all of this and not endless speculation, allegations and restaurmatics done on the back of envelopes or throwing assertions around based on made up those figures.


  • #3365
    Sheepdish1
    Registered Users Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Sheepdish1


    How was an injunction served for protesters at Shelbourn and what grounds?

    Could this have implications for protests in the future ?


  • #3366
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Sheepdish1 wrote: »
    How was an injunction served for protesters at Shelbourn and what grounds?

    Could this have implications for protests in the future ?

    Any Link?


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  • #3367
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭jackboy


    wardides wrote: »
    Rotten industry ran and participated, mostly, by people who are led by one thing - Money.

    Not true. Most people with greyhounds make no profit. A lot of them actually lose money.


  • #3368
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    About 6,000 are exported to the Uk every year.
    Greyhounds aren’t let run loose. On my premises alone, I would have an average of 25 greyhounds of all ages at any one time.
    Dogs do eventually die.

    This is another issue with the industry. Dogs are classified as companion animals that have totally different psychological & physical needs to wild animals or livestock.

    You appear to have a dog farm. I struggle to see how so many dogs can receive enough individual attention.

    Why does the industry allow exports? We know the level of killing in the UK, Spain etc. Why would a caring owner want to sell or export a dog? The dogs are regarded as stock rather than companion animals.

    And, before someone mentions it, rescues do have a number of dogs. But they are transient & awaiting rehoming.

    Yes pet dogs are exported but most will end up in caring homes. The Greyhound owner appears to not care about where their dog ends up.


  • #3369
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    Sheepdish1 wrote: »
    How was an injunction served for protesters at Shelbourn and what grounds?

    Could this have implications for protests in the future ?

    The protesters did themselves no favours in their intimidating behavior. And their attempts to get Shelbournes neighbors join them on their rather vociferous picket lines.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/greyhound-track-operators-secure-temporary-injunction-against-shelbourne-park-protestors-967459.html


  • #3370
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The protesters did themselves no favours in their intimidating behavior. And their attempts to get Shelbournes neighbors join them on their rather vociferous picket lines.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/greyhound-track-operators-secure-temporary-injunction-against-shelbourne-park-protestors-967459.html

    Tbh take a look what groups are organising these pickets. Not going to names as per boards Tou but the extreme animal rights brigades who do no one any favours. Many of the these types want to also get rid of domestic pets and other animals on the grounds that that is 'slavery' and they are abominations created by humans etc etc. Lovely lot altogether

    And no I'm not saying all those who protest are the same - I know there are many people who simply would like to see things genuinley improved


  • #3371
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    gozunda wrote: »
    Tbh take a look what groups are organising these pickets. Not going to names as per boards Tou but the extreme animal rights brigades who do no one any favours. Many of the same want to also get rid of domestic pets and other animals on the grounds that that is 'slavery' and they are abominations created by humans etc etc. Lovely lot altogether

    And no I'm not saying all those who protest are the same - I know there are many people who simply would like to see things genuinley improved

    Derby final night showed how protesting should and shouldn’t be done. One group stood silently in mourning garb, while others stood in front of racegoers brandishing placards in their faces and screaming obscenities.


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  • #3372
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,823 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    gozunda wrote: »
    Tbh take a look what groups are organising these pickets. Not going to names as per boards Tou but the extreme animal rights brigades who do no one any favours. Many of the same want to also get rid of domestic pets and other animals on the grounds that that is 'slavery' and they are abominations created by humans etc etc. Lovely lot altogether

    And no I'm not saying all those who protest are the same - I know there are many people who simply would like to see things genuinley improved

    But, unless there are protests, nothing happens. Nothing. Zip. Nada. The documentary did great public service exposing the ineptitude and corruption in the exploitative, venal industry that is Greyhound racing. It brought to public attention abhorrent practices like coursing (which should be banned, as it's pointless animal abuse and only serves the gambling interests of connected dilettantes like the ones running the IGB.) All the 'good owners' (if there are actually any, as I think if you engage in this sport you explicitly endorse its awful practices), are doing, is the beal bocht on how imposed upon they feel, what with a government tax subsidy for their 'hobby.'

    The deflection to 'we need better data' yadda yadda that the IGB preach, is just that - deflection. IGB's own studies showed how bad the numbers are, there's been no coherent rebuttal from the IGB or here, just 'we're now going to get better data.' I say shut it all down, nothing's change, dogs still die on tracks and way too many animals and peoples lives ruined in support of gambling entertainment - completely valuleless to society as a whole.


  • #3373
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Igotadose wrote: »
    But, unless there are protests, nothing happens. Nothing. Zip. Nada. The documentary did great public service exposing the ineptitude and corruption in the exploitative, venal industry that is Greyhound racing. It brought to public attention abhorrent practices like coursing (which should be banned, as it's pointless animal abuse and only serves the gambling interests of connected dilettantes like the ones running the IGB.) All the 'good owners' (if there are actually any, as I think if you engage in this sport you explicitly endorse its awful practices), are doing, is the beal bocht on how imposed upon they feel, what with a government tax subsidy for their 'hobby.'
    The deflection to 'we need better data' yadda yadda that the IGB preach, is just that - deflection. IGB's own studies showed how bad the numbers are, there's been no coherent rebuttal from the IGB or here, just 'we're now going to get better data.' I say shut it all down, nothing's change, dogs still die on tracks and way too many animals and peoples lives ruined in support of gambling entertainment - completely valuleless to society as a whole.

    Who said people shouldn't protest? But plenty of other ways of positively making changes as well.

    Yes things could be better imo. Sorry you dont agree. And as said I've nada to do with IGB and I'm not involved with greyhounds . So you can can the finger pointing and hyperbole thanks all the same.

    As for dogs and race deaths - figures published show that show the actual death rate in races (dogs pts by vets etc) is less than 1 percent at 0.14% per 100000 dogs raced. And no - no one is even excusing that. I get it you personally dont like racing, betting, even those who own greyhounds for racing . Thats your opinion. My own experience of greyhound owners is very different to yours and yes there are good owners - I've met them.


  • #3374
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Why don't the good owners join the moderate protestors & demand change?

    The Industry encourages militant protestors by ignoring the moderate ones.


  • #3375
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Discodog wrote: »
    Why don't the good owners join the moderate protestors & demand change?

    The Industry encourages militant protestors by ignoring the moderate ones.

    The good owners have been lobbying for change for years. We are making some progress. Welfare and traceability will be much more transparent from now on.


  • #3376
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The good owners have been lobbying for change for years. We are making some progress. Welfare and traceability will be much more transparent from now on.

    So why do you complain about the RTE documentary which has done more to promote change than anything else?

    You should of welcomed it but your vitriol against the program suggests that you don't want change at all.


  • #3377
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Discodog wrote: »
    So why do you complain about the RTE documentary which has done more to promote change than anything else?

    You should of welcomed it but your vitriol against the program suggests that you don't want change at all.

    I’m a great believer in “Tell the truth and shame the devil”. There were so many untruths in that program. I would HAVE welcomed a factual, up to date discussion. We didn’t get that. A number of owners and breeders submitted articles to the reporter, but they didn’t suit his agenda and were ignored. A live interview with IGB representatives was also disallowed. RTÉ wanted a prerecorded, edited interview.


  • #3378
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Discodog wrote: »
    So why do you complain about the RTE documentary which has done more to promote change than anything else?

    You should of welcomed it but your vitriol against the program suggests that you don't want change at all.

    If the good owners couldnt make changes despite years of trying doesn't this imply that there are a lot more bad owners than good owners. Surely majority should rule


  • #3379
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    MIKEKC wrote: »
    If the good owners couldnt make changes despite years of trying doesn't this imply that there are a lot more bad owners than good owners. Surely majority should rule

    Yeah sure it works like that in real life. fek it and tar everyone with the same brush. :rolleyes:


  • #3380
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    MIKEKC wrote: »
    If the good owners couldnt make changes despite years of trying doesn't this imply that there are a lot more bad owners than good owners. Surely majority should rule

    The IGB are not going to let anything get in the way of business. The idea that owners didn't know what has been going on for decades is totally unbelievable. I remember awareness campaigns from 30 years ago. This is nothing new. The only difference is that RTE put it directly into thousands of homes.


  • #3381
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Discodog wrote: »
    The IGB are not going to let anything get in the way of business. The idea that owners didn't know what has been going on for decades is totally unbelievable. I remember awareness campaigns from 30 years ago. This is nothing new. The only difference is that RTE put it directly into thousands of homes.

    I still can't understand why RTE didn't go the whole hog and show hounds being blooded. This would surely have put the nail in the coffin of this industry


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  • #3382
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RIP all greyhounds who have died throughout 2019 through the the actions of their callous owners who put money and greed and profit before the welfare of their dogs.


  • #3383
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    MIKEKC wrote: »
    I still can't understand why RTE didn't go the whole hog and show hounds being blooded. This would surely have put the nail in the coffin of this industry

    Possibly because it sounds like more hype from those who want to tar all and everyone as 'bad' because it fits an anti greyhound racing ideology. Tbh I've never seen nor heard of blooding. And I live in a rural area - where greyhounds are not uncommon. I will say though whilst Im not saying it couldnt happen - but as said whilst there are cnuts everywhere - no everyone is a cnut. I reckon you need to look to illegal activities before trying to throw ****e at everyone.


  • #3384
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    gozunda wrote: »
    Possibly because it sounds like more hype from those who want to tar all and everyone as 'bad' because it fits an anti greyhound racing ideology. Tbh I've never seen nor heard of blooding. And I live in a rural area - where greyhounds are not uncommon. I will say though whilst Im not saying it couldnt happen - but as said whilst there are cnuts everywhere - no everyone is a cnut. I reckon you need to look to illegal activities before trying to throw ****e at everyone.

    You certainly won't see it the people involved make sure it's done in secret. I cannot believe you never heard of it. As regards looking to illegal activities, are you saying that throwing live animals to dogs wouldn't be illegal?. I said in a previous post that there was a programme on the radio some months back and a man said that they used to catch hares and give them to the coursing people, who would then break their leg and set the greyhounds after them. Surely this can't be legal


  • #3385
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭jackboy


    MIKEKC wrote: »
    You certainly won't see it the people involved make sure it's done in secret. I cannot believe you never heard of it. As regards looking to illegal activities, are you saying that throwing live animals to dogs wouldn't be illegal?. I said in a previous post that there was a programme on the radio some months back and a man said that they used to catch hares and give them to the coursing people, who would then break their leg and set the greyhounds after them. Surely this can't be legal

    It would be illegal. Was the man on the radio arrested for contributing to that?


  • #3386
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    jackboy wrote: »
    It would be illegal. Was the man on the radio arrested for contributing to that?

    Of course not. Have you ever tried approaching the Guards with an animal welfare issue?

    A foal was stoned to death, by a load of kids & with plenty of witnesses in Galway. The Guards said that it was up to the GSPCA who have no legal power.

    Yet people post here saying that one should report animal abuse to the Guards.


  • #3387
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Discodog wrote: »
    Of course not. Have you ever tried approaching the Guards with an animal welfare issue?

    A foal was stoned to death, by a load of kids & with plenty of witnesses in Galway. The Guards said that it was up to the GSPCA who have no legal power.

    Yet people post here saying that one should report animal abuse to the Guards.

    Fair enough. That is a far wider problem then if the guards do not consider animal cruelty to be illegal.


  • #3388
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    jackboy wrote: »
    It would be illegal. Was the man on the radio arrested for contributing to that?

    I presume not. I just heard the programme.


  • #3389
    Tilikum17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Tilikum17


    Newstalk are talking about this documentary now.


  • #3390
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,823 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Been awhile, but one of the trainers mentioned in the programme, was just convicted of having banned substances in his possession.

    Still appears to have his trainer's license though. Can't get some pesky conviction get in the way. I wonder if he'd actually gone to prison rather than had that part of his sentence waived, would he still be able to "train" greyhounds.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/greyhound-trainer-convicted-of-possessing-controlled-animal-remedies-1.4605664


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  • #3391
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    How long before we ban this barbaric nonsense?


  • #3392
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Been awhile, but one of the trainers mentioned in the programme, was just convicted of having banned substances in his possession.

    Still appears to have his trainer's license though. Can't get some pesky conviction get in the way. I wonder if he'd actually gone to prison rather than had that part of his sentence waived, would he still be able to "train" greyhounds.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/greyhound-trainer-convicted-of-possessing-controlled-animal-remedies-1.4605664

    So he is caught with the drugs used to dope greyhounds to win races and he doesnt even get a ban from the training greyhounds?

    Anyone placing bets on greyhound racing is an absolute mug when the participants are basically cheating and there are no sanctions whatsoever.

    18 million of taxpayers money given to this charade every year, its an industry built on quicksand


  • #3393
    tritriagain
    Registered Users Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭tritriagain


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    So he is caught with the drugs used to dope greyhounds to win races and he doesnt even get a ban from the training greyhounds?

    Anyone placing bets on greyhound racing is an absolute mug when the participants are basically cheating and there are no sanctions whatsoever.

    18 million of taxpayers money given to this charade every year, its an industry built on quicksand
    I would say the drug issue applies to every "sport" in Ireland.


  • #3394
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My thoughts with the neglected Greyhounds this Christmas, struggling and neglected in charity funded dog pounds. May the Greyhound industry wake up soon and admit they mis-treat their dogs and sacrifice their welfare for money.

    And if they really cared, we'd see the industry funding the great work the dog charities up and down Ireland are doing. But they don't because they're callous money grabbing bstards.



  • #3395
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118233191#Comment_118233191

    Thank God for all the loving owners who keep their retired greyhounds as pets until the natural end of their lives.



  • #3396
    muddypaws
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭muddypaws


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118233191#Comment_118233191

    Dog pounds are council funded, do you mean rescues?



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  • #3397
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237200#Comment_118237200

    Some believe that Irish greyhound owners throw unwanted greyhounds into pots of boiling water or use axes to send them on their way to their maker. Same as some believe that destroying greyhounds earmarks makes them unidentifiable, despite their DNA being on record 🤨



  • #3398
    muddypaws
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭muddypaws


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237605#Comment_118237605

    Don't quote me as if to intimate that I agree with anything you post about greyhounds and how they are treated by their "beloved" owners. I've volunteered in rescue for long enough to know how they are disposed off when no longer viable.



  • #3399
    Mysterypunter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237193#Comment_118237193

    I was at the dogs last night and they were all very well looked after, cold evening but they all had plenty of layers and blankets, and I met the nicest dog ever, a lovely brindle bitch trained by a Wexford man, he said she is the boss of the house, and I’m not surprised, the amount of rubbish spouted about mistreating animals is ridiculous, at least you are in the game and you know about it, I believe the same stuff was rehashed from 10-15 years ago to give the government an excuse to reduce funding to Bord na Gcon



  • #3400
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,823 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237734#Comment_118237734

    Government shouldn't fund addictions, like gambling. If you couldn't bet on the dogs, they'd be just another dog.


    So, when you were at the track, none of the dogs died? That's a thing you know; if they weren't racing, they wouldn't die from injuries sustained during racing.


    Also, Bord na gCon funds coursing, which is just plain animal abuse for some wealthy punters (probably TD's) to enjoy. That should be stopped.


    Plus, the government needs the money, we're in debt up to our eyeballs. Let the 'greyhound industry' fund for itself. This is why it's only a 'sport' in a few holdout places like Ireland.



  • #3401
    Jequ0n
    Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Some strange comments on this thread, though I appreciate that most of these are historic.

    It’s a truly awful industry and needs to be stopped for animal welfare reasons. Some people are clearly more bothered about the use of their tax money though…



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