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Ireland v Ulster build up thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,229 ✭✭✭A-Train


    Frank Murphy didn’t want to know about Ulster being offside all night.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,110 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Leo Cullen, Stuart Lancaster, David Nucifora, Phillip Browne, Leo Varadkar, Venjur, your boys took one hell of a beating.

    Work that one up yer bangles.

    GG. x.



    (Good result that).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    You can carry a few inexperienced / younger / second,third choice players in many teams, but you cant expect results with few first choice players.

    Leinster victims of their own greatness tonight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,225 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    He's an excellent young talent that desperately needs game time. Think he's played less than 80 minutes this season. And he hasn't played much rugby since December last year.

    It's his brother that I'm more concerned about. He's 26 yet has already hit his peak I think. Just doesn't have the tools for the game Leinster want to play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,603 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Both teams were offside all night, they had to be, it was the only way to neutralise the ref deciding not to bother policing that law


    Ulster were unlucky in the 1st half, those two try line penalties could easily have gone the other way



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    Be that as it may, Leinster should have been in his ear, and made less mistakes. McGrath alone had numerous mistakes, was lucky henshaw did what he did to get the try



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Worst Leinster performance in years. Half backs were shocking. Forwards made very little ground and we couldn't string anything together. Well done to Ulster, they capitalised on our messyness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,603 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Lol, this is the most Leinster comment of all time



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,706 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Fair play Ulster. Congrats on the win. Better team for the whole game.

    Connors was Leinsters MOTM. Frawley, Henshaw and Furlong were good too. Besides that, very average.

    Harry Byrne had a few errors off the bench again. Can’t help but think he’s forcing it at the moment. That said, you can see a bit of pace and willingness to attack the line from him. All a learning experience for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers



    Is frank Murphy really the pinnacle of Irish rugby referring.


    Never a game where his influence isnt a factor.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Except he did penalize Leinster for it. Twice.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,863 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Fully deserved ulster win.

    Played the ref perfectly knowing he was going to blow everything defensively at the ruck, while allowing chaos to stop the cleaners.

    Leinster were very poor. Didn't react to the blitz defence at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,603 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Ulster didn't capitalise on your messiness, they caused it by matching them up front and forcing them to play deep and get pushed backwards in contact



  • Registered Users Posts: 384 ✭✭vapor trails


    Regardless of who starts, Leinster now play with a big target on their back. The guys behind the starting 15 can rise to it and use it as inspiration or they can get very cosy down there in D4 and come out flat like this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,229 ✭✭✭A-Train


    I’ll take your word for it, very poor this season. Hopefully he does develop because at this moment in time Leinster are in a massive trouble at 10 going forward (excluding Johnny)



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    I wonder did Leinster spend the last 4 weeks working on S&C. Judging by that performance they haven’t done any work on skills or play, that’s for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,076 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    Well done Ulster. Fully deserved win. In our faces all night and just so much more up for it. We gave away far too many penalties but mainly because of Ulster pressure.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,863 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    We could be seeing signs that having a large squad in this new URC version might actually be a major hindrance.

    Players know they now have very limited game minutes so they think they need to make an impact with every game contribution, which leads to discontinuity and errors. Less doing the dirty work while waiting to do the more flashy stuff.

    Leinster didn't at all look a team who have been preparing for that game for the last four weeks.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,110 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Jamie Heaslip bringing a bit of seasoning to proceedings.

    Nice and salty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    Halfbacks often take the flack when the forwards don't show up



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    There were several unforced errors by McGrath and Hb which had nothing to do with the forwards. Forwards didn't help but half backs can't blame all the errors on the forwards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    When the forwards are losing the battle, the pressure on the halfbacks increases and they make what look to be unforced mistakes. Leinster halfbacks don't usually experience this.

    Billy Burns is busy tonight, starring in the movie on RTE2 after a tough game of rugby




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Fair point but Leinster were terrible with ball in hand when we did have it. McGrath was slow and threw a lot of poor passes and Ross is just so predictable that he's completely ineffective. Probably a lot to do with the pressure from Ulster, but we just looked clueless at times. One to forget.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭KH25


    Yeah, but that doesn’t excuse the general sloppiness of their passing. Quite a few times passes we’re either too high or behind the player and it stopped any momentum. It was consistent throughout the game, even at times when Leinster were making ground and getting on top of the Ulster defence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Ulster did to Leinster as Ireland did to the all blacks, without the attack part. For Leinster being behind in the last 20 with only 1 try on the board is it’s own pressure, ulsters work was already done by then. Even without the intercept you’d have expected them to hang on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭eclipsechaser


    Even more disappointing than the result were some fans from several different rows in the Grandstand who shouted that the ref was a d*ck, w*nker and c*nt at various times during the match.

    I was embarrassed, having brought a non-rugby family member to the game. I've been going to games a long time and haven't heard that level of vitriol. It would be a real shame if that started creeping in to the games.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    Absolutely this can happen but, as examples, I'm not sure the kicks out on the full can be blamed on the forwards. Crappy ball at the back of rucks, malls, scrums, absolutely but from memory Hb had enough time and space to kick with little to no pressure on him. They were bad mistakes IMHO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,817 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Who are the FOUR better players?

    Ringrose, Aki, Henshaw and....?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭jacothelad




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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    This is from the guy who, at the start of the summer, thought neither Hume nor Baloucoune should be anywhere near an international cap.


    You either hate Ulster or know very, very little about the actual playing of rugby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Balaoucone didnt show anything in the Argentina game and Hume is still behind a long list of very good centres, Aki, henshaw, ringrose, Earls and possibly Farrell.

    Lets see where their level is when they line up opposite Clermont, because that was a second string Leinster side who were playing badly, but yep i dont think they currently are going to make it near the 6 nations match day squads.

    I would also say that Hansen was more deserving of an irish cap against Argentina than Balacoune as he has been the best winger in the URC this season so far.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    You said that Hume wouldn't get a cap.


    You were wrong. Straightforwardly, simply wrong.


    Do you want to put a bet on neither making the 6 Nations squad, saving injurIes? Given both were in the AI squad?Money to charities of the other's choice?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Surely the 7-6 Dragons game last month was the worst performance in years?



  • Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭bluedex


    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



  • Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭bluedex


    Every time Leinster lose it's the worst performance ever. It's the modern way to comment!

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Cheers. It was ludicrous when he said it, shortly before they both got their first caps, and it's ludicrous now. But he's too far along to back down - all he can do is double down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭TomsOnTheRoof


    Hume was excellent tonight. He's a real prospect at 13 going forward.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Lawrence doesn't think so.

    Just so I know, has Harry Byrne done well against other good teams at other times? I heard a lot, as an Ulster fan,about how important it is you do well in inter-pros. Byrne was mince. Does that count against him,or is it only significant when Ulster do poorly?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭TRC10


    What game were you watching? Whenever Baloucoune touched the ball against Argentina he looked seriously threatening and always made yards.

    Aki is a specialist 12. Hume isn't competing with Aki for a jersey. He's competing with Ringrose and Henshaw. But they're both experienced internationals. Hume is still only 23 and has growth still in him. He's clearly ahead of Farrell and Earls (if you're even calling him a centre)

    Hansen has looked good but he's been in the country for a few weeks and has scored a few tries against low level URC fodder. Baloucoune is an Irishman who has come through the system, Farrell has had his eye on for a long time, has been in camps over the last 2 years and scored tries in European games.

    National coaches don't pick their squads based on form over 5 rounds of URC. And if they do, they're doing their job wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 43 Michael Zozimus Moran


    .For a performance that bad I would usually point to the players and say cut one third of them. But why do you replace them with ? More talented less hard working players like Paddy Paterson et al? That was atrocious attitude from some of the players yesterday. Their skills were so bad combined with poor concentration and intensity, that I would say some of them deserve to be de- contracted. There has to be a downside for these boys earning 100k+ for doing nothing to deserve it. Handouts for that tripe! Christ!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    You win one game in the RDS in 8 years against a second string side and all of a sudden you think Ulster have a team of world beaters.


    If there is one thing we have seen time and time again from Ulster its their ability to back up a good performance with a shite one.


    Lets see what happens in Swansea next week before you commit hastily to giving away your money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 740 ✭✭✭damianmcr




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    I'm shocked the IRFU haven't disbanded Ulster already for actually showing up last night



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    I dont see how anyone is getting excited about the irish backs in a game of rugby that was so comprehensively won yet the backs couldnt conjure up a try between them.

    In a game against poor opposition balacoune didn't do anything to put himself near andrew Conway in terms of selection.

    Hes a good player and got his chance, but he hasnt given farrell any major selection headaches ahead of the 6N and only injury will get him into that squad.

    Bias isnt a substitute for rationality.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Locke_Lamora


    No actual Ulster fan thinks we have a team of world beaters, you're getting upset and putting words in people's mouths. He's saying that two of our best back prospects should pick up some caps - not that they should be starting for Ireland going forward.

    You can point out it was a second string side all you want but basically every leinster fan was expecting a relatively straightforward win tonight, due to both your strength in depth and our weak forward pack. You had plenty of internationals in that pack and great bench players, no excuse for getting outplayed by Marcus Rea, Mich Kearney, Andy Warwick, Alan O'Connor and Greg Jones.

    Also not sure why you think Hansen is particularly more deserving for caps than Baloucoune, as Baloucoune was already due to pick up caps when he was in the squad a year or two ago before getting a season ending hamstring injury and he's put in great performances in Europe for a couple of years now. I like Hansen and his talent is there to see, not sure why you have to minimise what Baloucoune brings to prop him up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Nice try, but this conversation predates this game by months. You have already been proven wrong - both those players are now capped. As I recall, you said, after about two years of excellent performances from Baloucoune, that he had shown nothing in white to suggest that he should get a go in a green jersey. And that Hume would be nowhere near the summer squad.


    You can post all you want about bias and rationality, but you're lashing out because you're worried one of these Ulster players will usurp a Munster back - Conway, Earls or Farrell. That's fine, but you've already been proven wrong in your grand assessments of those young Ulster backs' abilities and place in the pecking order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,870 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Ah lads...when someone posts that Earls is a better centre than Hume you know you are being trolled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Because i think hansen is a better player, and not just a little better but clearly better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    This is the problem with ulster players and fans alike.

    The height of many ambitions is to be capped, and for every one international quality player on the team there are three or four international rejects.

    Henderson and herring are up there, but then you have washed up internationals who are good players in the league and mediocre in europe like marty moore, jordi murphy, billy burns, Cooney, stuart mccloskley and the team is based around those players who we know are not good enough to be good internationals that could earn 50 caps.

    If you think Hume and ballecoune getting capped is a reason to light fireworks and get the bands marching then good for you, but I dont see anything from balacoune to suggest he can become an Established irish player and hume has a long way to go before he gets past henshaw and ringrose.

    Of course this is just my uneducated completely biased and partially ignorant opinion because time will tell.



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