Looking for stats on % of unvaccinated people in ICU with underlying conditions

It is very difficult to figure out.

Reports are released on different days and that makes it hard to do a straight compare and contrast.

There is one report that says that 81.3% of all admissions had one or more underlying conditions. Unfortunately that runs from 27 June to 16 November and it is difficult to know what the more recent stats are.

I don't know why they don't break it down like the vaccinated admissions are in the Friday reports.

Are you sure Cianos that unvaccinated people are "disproportionately represented in ICU"? Hasn't this been debunked several times for example in Waterford regional when it was reported most in ICU were unvaccinated, a radio interview with the actual hospital director revealed over 75% of them were in fact double vaccinated.

Whatever the case, I think we all know by now the figures and facts have been severely misrepresented during the course of the pandemic, not just concerning the vaccines but also hospital admissions, justifications for restrictions etc. It's been a serious **** show.

If you cannot find Irish data - try another country in eu. Id say it will be representative of our situation.

Just to point out underlying conditions are quite broad. It includes pregnancy, high blood pressure obesity etc.

There has been a low uptake in vaccines in pregnant women for example as there was initially reluctance to recommend vaccine for them. There was a piece on a young mother in Derry who died recently in one of the papers.

For why it's so difficult to get this data on ICU and hospital cases, it's easy to link data on cases because the tests are recorded and date etc. Within the hospitals it's messier when did they go to ICU come out go back again. When they were off ward were they ICU or high dependency when did that happen. From dealing with hospitals its not as easy or clearcut as you think and when.you get in to recording clinical data on top it's difficult.

I would think it is also very difficult to distinguish between a death "due to covid" for someone who has an underlying condition vs death "due to underlying condition, while having covid". But I have seen this distinction is accounted for in the stats.

They are all risk factors of course. My point is that many people think an underlying condition is someone who is seriously unwell already. These are very common conditions with people living perfectly normal lives .

When the poster spoke of the percentage in ICU with underlying conditions it should be pointed out pregnancy is one of these.

The age group who would be pregnant weren't eligible to get the vaccine till late summer at the earliest and there was some conflicting advice earlier this year on whether they should or not so there is a higher percentage not vaccinated

This was the article I referenced earlier o the young mother who sadly passed away https://www.theguardian.com › nov

Samantha Willis was a beloved young pregnant mother. Did bad vaccine ...

That's impressive. Really punching above their weight there. I hope the frustrated staff lash them out of it for their stupidity. In this day and age there's no excuse for it.

Is what you are doing just throwing out some random request as if it means something? Thinking that people won't be able to answer it. And then they give you the figures you asked for, you'll just come back and ask for them for a time they aren't available. Or are you genuinely asking with no already-fixed-opinion?

Here are the stats for those admitted to ICU in September and October 2021. In that period, the ratio was about 45:54 vaccinated:unvaccinated. (1% was unspecified)

33% of the unvaccinated in ICU had no underlying health condition.

3% of the vaccinated in ICU had no underlying health condition.

Don't forget, "underlying health conditions" might be something that someone is living with relatively fine on a day-to-day basis. Such as being obese or having diabetes or high blood pressure etc.

Median age of vaccinated patients in ICU was 61

Median age of unvaccinated patients in ICU was 52

You can find out these facts fairly easily online if you actually want to know the answers.

It's important to bear in mind that an underlying health condition is any health condition that you have, independently of having Covid. It's not necessarily a condition which will exacerbate your covid, or which will be exacerbated by your covid. It's routinely recorded because it's a condition that you have and the medical staff caring for you need to know you have it, if only to treat it. Recording that you have an underlying condition doesn't imply any judgment at all about whether your underlying condition made or makes you more vulnerable to covid, or whether your underlying condition is or is not likely to be exacerbated by covid.

A judgment of that kind will be made if you die, for the purposes of recording cause of death on the death certificate. A condition will be recorded on the death cert only if in fact it contributed or may have contributed to your death.

So, if you're admitted to hospital as a result of traumatic injuries from a car crash, and you have a history of high blood pressure, high blood pressure will be down as an underlying condition. But if you die of your injuries, high blood pressure is unlikely to feature on your death certificate.

There's a temptation in certain quarters to assume that, if you are admitted to ICU with Covid and an underlying condition, you only got sick enough to be admitted to ICU because of the underlying condition. This is not necessarily the case. Huge numbers of the population of middle age and over have an underlying condition, something for which they have regular treatment. This will be noted if they are hospitalised or admitted to ICU, but in many cases there will be a tenuous connection or no connection at all between the admission and the underlying condition.

this is true also keep in mind that of last weeks number 70% of covid ICU patient came from another ward.

its is a vague enough figure in that it doesn't state why they were in that initial ward, covid or something else .

did they get admitted with something else and catch covid in the hospital? cos that scenario is on the HSE not on the often demonised anti-vaxxers (whoever they are)

I see the point and I kinda agree but kinda don't

I don't think it's right to force people to take an injection if they don't want it and if they don't need it. Your body should be yours and not subject to public opinion - that is an ethical consideration as strong as the one you make - and tbf yours is a decent argument I'm not blind to it even if I'm arguing against it.

Untimely the individual will suffer whatever risk/reward consequence for having covid or a vaccine side effect. nobody is going to carry you or sit in and comfort you.

But back to your main point I find it hard to stomach the restrictions imposed on society due to Covid ICU cases by the people managing the hospitals IF the hospitals themselves are the major factor in the ICU cases - now I accept this is speculation based on a broad ranging statistic . I just wish we knew.

Probably. It was a Prime Time piece. so I'd imagine that they had access to the CSO people and would have ran any figures by them before running with them anyway

but household wouldn't be held to the same standards as a hospital .

I'm sure there are measures as reducing spread in hospitals but if the infection rises and ICU numbers shoot up from infection with the hospital - I don't see why society should be carrying the can for restrictions and 9 year olds (albeit a suggestion at the min) wear masks in school all day.

I don't see the link .

is he right ?

cos that's a fierce leap from the 21% and 12% from (5/11 and 12/11) number on the cso

22% of ALL cases are under 14% - could they take the vaccine ? no.

for kids being that sick when it doesn't affect kids really , do they have other conditions?

Is our hero Richard with the twitters pulling a fast one - throw out a random stat with no context and watch them devour each other ?

who knows.

Some may not be aware of the underlying conditions. Or it could be something like high blood pressure which they ignore.

"The single most effective thing you personally can do to protect others from Covid is to get yourself vaccinated."

How does an individual getting vaccinated protect others from Covid?

It seems there is little or no difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated when looking at infection by, and shedding of, the virus. So I fail to see how anyone getting vaccinated can protect anyone else.

As I possibly have missed the results of some trial/s on this specifically, maybe you could provide a link to one or more?

Ok. fair enough. Donnelly might have done the conflation himself!

interesting point and I agree - too much blame and scapegoating in this whole thing . appears to be an irish pastime I don't see in other countries.

I was arguing the toss perhaps robustly that if Dr Tony, Paul Reid and Leo* and the rest are scapegoating people - i would suggest they look closer to home and get their affairs in order. Tbh I don't blame anybody in real life for covid - unhappy with the approach and restrictions for sure but not actively attacking people (well NPHET I guess ...but you know what I mean.

I see you point on moral responsibility and i've heard the common good argument too - but forced jabbing (even by mild coercion) and totally unproven vaccine passports to help discriminate are not the solutions. you have 94% - that from a science view well over a fully vaccinated population - meaning there is malice in the current approach or just incompetence .

on vaccines - no matter how super they are , you cross a line when you demand people put them in the body against their will.