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Car drives into Christmas parade in Waukesha, 6 dead

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Moving goalposts? I said he was a "Cyclops" in the kkk or some such nonsense. He was. He was quite a high ranking member was he not? Biden did a eulogy at his funeral, did he not?

    I don't care if you attribute racism as a motive to what happened. You can admit that the person who committed the disgusting act was a racist though? A black supremacist carried out the act.

    Its absolutely hilarious that even after all evidence was presented in a case and he was found completely innocent, you still refuse to give any benefit of the doubt to Rittenhouse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Did Biden eulogize for a man who had links to the kkk?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Eh Byrd was also praised by civil rights groups upon his death cause he was an example of a person who reformed and actively campaigned for the rights of others. So Biden attending his funeral, simply was never a big deal. He was in his early twenties when he was the head of a local chapter of the Klan(Not that high up given the fact there would have been hundreds of them) and he apologised for it and continued to do so until his death cause he recognised it was wrong.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Cool. So he was a Cyclops (or whatever it's called) and recruited over a hundred people for the KKK. Thank you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭The Quintessence Model


    Yes, that's all true. However, going by TMH's logic, Biden can labelled a white supremacist as Biden made his own bed when he eulogised at the funeral of a former kkk member.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,608 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Moving goalposts? I said he was a "Cyclops" in the kkk or some such nonsense. He was. He was quite a high ranking member was he not? Biden did a eulogy at his funeral, did he not?

    Obama spoke at his funeral also. Do you think Obama has ties to the KKK as a consequence? Irrespective of the specific role Byrd had in the KKK, he served 50 odd years in congress after that, that is the context in which Biden, Obama, (Bill Clinton) spoke about. There's no comparison between that and the flirting that went on with Trump and extremist organisations, no matter how much you want to see it as such.

    I don't care if you attribute racism as a motive to what happened. You can admit that the person who committed the disgusting act was a racist though? A black supremacist carried out the act.

    Is everyone who expresses a dislike of a particular race at any point in time a bona fide 'supremacist' for their own race? If you believe that, then you'll definitely have to revisit your opinion that Trump cannot be considered as such. You seem very eager to determine that this was a racially motivated attack when there is no evidence to suggest that that was the case. As I've said, the conservative media channels who would be all over this if there was any merit to it would be looking to shine bright lights on this, they aren't. And if you want to argue that some people say that police events are racially motivated without evidence, that is not the same thing. Firstly, what people complain about in that respect is the frequent and numerous actions by police which paint a picture that indicates a systemic problem. And secondly, you cannot compare the actions of a single (deplorable) member of the public with those who are specifically hire, and trained to keep their societies safe. To try to equate the two is, once again, trying to absolve those in positions or assigned authority for unsuitable behavior.

    Its absolutely hilarious that even after all evidence was presented in a case and he was found completely innocent, you still refuse to give any benefit of the doubt to Rittenhouse.

    I generally try not to validate people who are eager to go out of their way to present a threat to people protesting in order to draw attention to how their community is unfairly treated by police. Some people do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,608 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You're conveniently missing the slight significance of there being 57 years of public service between Byrd's KKK activities and his funeral versus comments or actions made by people you guys are defending happening at the same time as when they were in the news.



  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭The Quintessence Model


    He didn't present a threat. Again, he was attacked first. And again they were rioters, not protestors.



  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭The Quintessence Model


    And yiu are ignoring that Rittenhouse has said he supports BLM. But of course, you conveniently don't believe him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,608 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I'm not surprised that you are attempting to assign such a title to Brooks while defending Rittenhouse.

    There's no direct comparison between the two events. Brooks is a deplorable lifelong criminal, but there's no evidence to suggest his actions this thread is about were racially motivated.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,608 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Yes. I suspect that Rittenhouse was expressly coached by Carlson and his team before that interview. I don't expect you or most others here to agree with me, I'm totally fine with that.

    Tucker Carlson is like a conductor directing the public in hateful and dangerous ways, you'd be very naïve to think he didn't look at the Rittenhouse, and see an opportunity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    What actions did Rittenhouse do to suggest he was racist, he shot 3 white people. brooks said some racist stuff on twitter, was black and attacked all white people. The dots are there just join them, its pretty simple.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,608 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you keep saying. The 17 year old who travelled from a different state to the event and used a gun he shouldn't have been allowed to use while pretending to be there to do something he was neither trained or hired to do didn't present any threat.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,608 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Associating with extremist group members and using hand signs more and more frequently associated with such groups in photographs with those members while awaiting trial for those events in Kenosha.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    But why didnt he shoot black people so? Plenty black people around to shoot if he was such a racist. He shot people who attacked him, its simple man.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,608 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I've already said that I'm fine with him being acquitted for having shot the people he shot. That doesn't mean he can be absolved entirely of any other actions or associations he has taken part in.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    He presented absolutely zero threat to anyone who didn't attack him.

    Anyway back to this racist that the thread is about.

    Do you think it would be incorrect to say a white hating racist purposely drove into a crowd of people, killing 6?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Very sneaky way of slipping in an ad hominem to your association fallacy.

    Were I to do to you what you're doing to Rittenhouse it would sound something like " Tell me how has received an endorsement from the Puppy Hater's association and he should not be absolved from their actions"



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,608 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    WTF was sneaky about my post?

    Rittenhouse didn't just receive an endorsement, he socialised with these people and took pictures with them while making specific hand signals associated with extremists.

    He did receive endorsements from several members of congress at least one of whom who exhibit racist tendencies just this past week...



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,608 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Do you think it would be incorrect to say a white hating racist purposely drove into a crowd of people, killing 6?

    Do you understand the concept of 'correlation does not equal causation'? I think you have deliberately structured that sentence to imply a motivation that there is no evidence existed. Brooks may have expressed a dislike of whites, but in none of his long list of crimes was it suggested that that was his motivation to do so.

    Why are you so eager to insist that that was his motivation?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭The Quintessence Model


    So why can Biden? Or Byrd for that matter? You are simply applying two different standards, because you like one person and not the other.

    Post edited by The Quintessence Model on


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I haven't. But I think it is ok to recognise that the person who did this act, was a racist, white hating asshole

    This may not have been a racist attack, bit it was an attack by a racist.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭The Quintessence Model


    A state where he worked and his father and other family live. You are making it out he travelled to somewhere he'd no association with, or 100s of miles. And he'd the gun legally. Whether you think that's OK or not is irrelevant. It was legal.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,161 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Thread closed for a while. I'm not seeing much discussion of the actual topic here and I need to work though recent posts



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,161 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    A small number of posters seem to have tried to make this into a discussion of race rather than the incident in question. To date I have seen nothing suggesting a racial motive, beyond such posters in this thread. There has been little discussion of the actual incident over the last few pages

    I have requested evidence supporting the race angle from a number of posters. If anyone wishes to provide me with any such evidence via PM I will consider re-opening the thread



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