When did the Northside Southside divide happen

The River Liffey was constructed during the Viking era I believe.

It's not a thing for real Dublin people it was invented by 2nd generation culchies.

This has to do with wind direction.

It's not uncommon in cities across Europe and further afield.

Jimmy Rabbitte in the Committments.

Possibly when the Danish Vikings settled on the Southside and Norwegian Vikings the Northside but I have no evidence to back that up aside from hearing that from one of my archaeological mad brothers rants.

Was going to say when COllins signed the treaty but I think thisis more likely...

It all stems from this simple fact: The only good thing about the Southside is the view of the Northside.

I would've gotten up and proved his point and slapped the head off the little twerp😂 hilarious if that story is actually true I couldn't imagine anyone saying that and actually being serious

Name-calling and scapegoating, I think we can safely dismiss your opinion.

Never heard of it until I lfirst ived in Dublin. Got asked where I lived and depending on where they lived told me I was on the right/wrong side.

is there a slope in dublin?

In a lot of cities the east end is (historically) less desirable due to the prevailing wind blowing from west to east so generally the most desirable areas are upwind or to the west.

to answer your question, no idea really.

now that i think, could it be due to ports available in the south dublin and further south?

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That's similar to the Mountjoy explanation I heard, and probably more accurate. Maybe the Mountjoy version was borne from Chinese whispers. I have heard many times that Mountjoy square has the only authentic Georgian houses in Ireland (or maybe just Dublin).

In my early 20s, me (a culchie) once worked with a genuinely nice guy (mid 20s) from cabinteely who said he was only in the northside twice in his whole life and had never been outside the M50. Despite this he considered himself well travelled as he had been abroad a lot*. It blew my mind, the guy knew nothing outside of his own little enclave and I expect monaghan/galway/louth/tipperary etc were basically the same thing in his mind

*I appreciate the airport is on the northside but it doesn't really count - there is a kind of diplomatic immunity for southsiders if they are only going to the airport

*edit* I also appreciate this has nothing to do with the question asked but its a story I sometimes think about

British army scum settled mainly in Dublin 1 after the act of union.

That why you get so many scumbags in North Dublin. Any time you see a D1 before the courts they usually have a British name. Also a lot of the black and tans settled in D1 after the truce.

I'm 7 or 8th generation Dub on my mother's side. 3rd on my father's side. I don't live in Dublin any more (I'm from Donnycarney, exiled in Clare).

My grandfather (mother's father) was born just off Pearse Street (Shaw Villas, it doesn't even exist any more) in 1901. Growing up, he didn't have any concept of southside or northside - however he didn't regard people from the Liberties as being "real Dubs", because they were from outside the city walls. Now, that's not to say that he looked down on them at all and of course he recognised them as Dubs, but he took issue with the representation of that area as being somehow more authentic than other parts of Dublin.

In the '20s he got a house in Marino - one of the very first council housing estates in the country. It's about a mile from the GPO, but his mother was concerned because he was moving out to "the country". For most of Dublin's history, what we now regard as the northside or the southside (and increasingly the west side, which I think is developing its own identify independent of the other two) weren't actually part of Dublin city at all.

When I first met my (now) wife, who is from Clare, in 2001, I was living in Beaumont (northside) and she in Sandymount (southside). I invited her over to my apartment, and her first question was if her car would be safe. She had been living in Dublin for about 5 years at that stage, and apart from the city center centre (O'Connell Street, Henry Street, etc), she had only ever been into the Northside once - a Dart trip out to Sutton. She felt safe there.

I joke about Northside pride - myself and my friends used to have a mock Northside independence movement I even designed a flag for, and my plan is to have that flag draped on my coffin when I die - but in all seriousness, there's very little difference between the two sides of the city. Both sides have working class areas, well-to-do areas, troubled areas, quiet areas. As mentioned above, it's not really something that actual Dubs take too seriously. It's like when you see people on here going on about "posh D4" people running the country or having major influence. It's not a real thing.

Although that quote I posted earlier: "The only good thing about the Southside is the view of the Northside" - that was something I saw written in a toilet cubicle in FAS in Cabra in 1998. I thought it was hilarious. I have it printed on a mug now, with my Northside flag on the other side.

I didn't realise there was any divide apart from the odd jibe here and there. When people say Southside they often just mean the affluent areas along the dorsch line and don't think about the rest of the place. I just spent the weekend house sitting my friends house in Walkinstown and it's pretty much a mirror image of Artane where I'm from, a drab grey suburb featuring pretty much nothing of note, which sums up most of Dublin really apart from the nice parts with nice villages where most of us will never be able to afford to live! At least the grim part I live in now is close enough to the sea and St Anne's park so I'm grateful for that.

The only thing I can offer to this thread is that the etymology of Ballybough is Baile Bocht, or 'Poor Town' os gaeilge. I'm not sure which came first though. Was it a 'poor' town and so the affluent moved south? Or did it become a 'poor' place as a result of the affluent moving south.. Not sure.. Or maybe it's completely unrelated.