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The Omicron variant

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,474 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Agreed.I can only speak from my own experience and it was a valuable (if a bit embarrassing lesson for a man in his 40s)

    When this all kicked off I was stunned by the stupidly, selfishness and just lack of empathy and general cop on in places like the now fairly infamous restrictions threads.I actually thought that stuff was representative of the real world. Embarrassing but in the crazy times of spring 2020 anything was possible, we weren't allowed 2k from our houses!

    Once I had real conversations with family,friends,work colleagues acquaintances it became clear that out of say 300 people I know as above 1 or 2 had gone off the deep end.

    It might just be a personal thing but I'm glad I can laugh at/ pity/ empathise (to some degree) with this cohort at this stage whilst realising its not representative of real life.

    I'm all for questioning data,responses etc and I can get into it with people in the pub or online etc but bottom line is I'm a low rank health care worker who knows fùck all about it.

    I ask questions of my doctor,dentist,mechanic builder,plumber,accountant but I don't over rule them with something I read on facebook .You have to trust the science and people who are qualified to read it.

    Apologies for the rant!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    The level of panic is astounding. At this stage I'm expecting the "we'll end up like Bergamo" posts to start cropping up again



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,073 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Its insane to see how the media can stir up a frenzy out of nothing.

    A new variant, with no known additional risk (suggestions it may be even milder) - and yet the headlines are dominated by doomsday predictions and the phrase "SUPER MUTANT"

    And then some people crying for borders to be shut and for us to be locked in our houses to protect us from what looks to be an even weaker variant - if this is infact milder then we should be encouraging spread. A mild infectious virus is exactly what you want from a pandemic management POV - it makes it more likely things will go back to normal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    It's here let's hope that it's as harmless as some are thinking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23 quazzy1


    So you want to put hundreds of thousands of people out of work a few weeks before Christmas just incase?

    Cases appear to have plateaud and are likely declining and hospital numbers have been reducing. We know literally nothing about this variant and there's actually a chance that it will be more mild, if it even does take hold.

    We definitely need to keep an eye on things, but it's way too early to make rash decisions.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Can you point out the "super mutant" headline.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Here's one

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10246223/amp/Travel-industry-despair-new-uncertainty-caused-super-mutant-variant.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,672 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    None of those are Irish based media.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭TomsOnTheRoof


    I'd echo all the sentiments on here about the media needlessly fear mongering. I first heard the story last night about this variant apparently causing much milder symptoms. Funnily enough this was being reported on up to three days ago. Yet there still hasn't been a peep from the likes of the journal etc. People need to stop panicking, take a few simple precautions and try and enjoy their lives as best they can (not easy with that shower in government but still).

    This variant could turn out to be massively beneficial. It's obviously still to early to tell but the initial reports are very hopeful. If it becomes the dominant strain we are likely to see a decrease in hospitalisations and deaths. Even if it doesn't become dominant the early signs would indicate that the virus is slowly becoming less aggressive as it mutates. There are plenty of reasons to be hopeful so take it easy and stop listening to Clare Byrne and hypochondriacs talking about "war footing".



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭lbj666


    I am all for hearing that this is milder and the more days go by and the South Africans keep saying so great. But it would want to be significantly milder to undo the transmissiblity that anecdotal and preliminary data is suggesting. At risks groups haven't substantially been exposed to this yet either. But then europe is far more vacinated with boosters to come than SA, but on the flip side SA has a high level of natural immunity and a younger population than Europe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,374 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    This, exactly! Its far too early to tell what Omnicron Prime is going to be like, it could be the super infectious but ultimately much weaker variant or it could kill us all. We wont know until scientists get the live cultures developed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,842 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Do you not usually turn to "The UK Sun" and "The UK Mirror" for your, measured, scientific, updates? 😋



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭lbj666




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭saabsaab




  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The variant that stole Christmas!



  • Registered Users Posts: 429 ✭✭TobyHolmes


    The Variant That Stole Christmas Part II as it was another variant last christmas. i wish now "they" would just give us an idea of what christmas will be like so we can reassess our plans etc. if its mild why so much panic. because its more easily spreadable and the vaccines are waning. i guess. but surely a new variant not a surprise its doing what viruses do - which is mutate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,829 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    There is as much reason to view Omicron as a blessing.


    Guessing otherwise before data emerges is foolish and dramatic.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I ask questions of my doctor,dentist,mechanic builder,plumber,accountant but I don't over rule them with something I read on facebook .You have to trust the science and people who are qualified to read it.

    I agree, but even there throughout this pox we have seen a lot of dubious science being bandied about by politicans and their advisors, mostly driven by politics and panic and economics. This new variant a good example, but there are many more. The virus being grand in pubs until midnight another. Some small scale studies being referenced and acted upon over much larger and more studies showing quite different results yet another. The wildly contradictory mask "advice" in the early days, our handwashing professor making a few gaffs along the way yet more. That's the problem: Though damn right listening to Ken or Karen on facebook who think crystals are good for your chakras and masks cause brain damage(too late for them. Coals to Newcastle is in play there) is beyond daft, but my take during this pox when listening to political advice has increasingly been, listen, but verify through respected sources.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Nobody is perfect. Most agencies and Government have made mistakes.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Mistakes are one things and forgiveable in a fast moving situation, complete howlers that make no sense and in the face of actual science being paraded as good advice and fact, that's quite another thing.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    The most logical progression of a virus is to mutate into a milder version, it is a living organism and it is programmed to survive, therefore if it mutates into a more potent version it is practically committing suicide.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I guess that the no facemasks needed was one 'howler' what were the others?



  • Registered Users Posts: 693 ✭✭✭cheezums


    This Omicron is a crafty bugger. Taking out Munster, our greatest warriors, to crush our resolve.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,073 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Moving the goalposts again I see. I never said it was exclusively Irish media - although the phrase has been used on Irish radio unfortunately



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,970 ✭✭✭circadian


    I'd generally agree with this. HIV is a prime example, over the years a combination of the HIV virus becoming less potent and medical treatments mean it's nowhere near as brutal as it once was. However, since Covid is airbourne and not an STD then the method of spreading is much easier and more rapid. If the virus becomes easier to spread and harder hitting it won't really do much to slow it down.


    Either way, I've only heard about it today because I've just started ignoring the news. No point in worrying about new variants until there's enough data to actually rely on, until then it's all speculation and people getting hyped up by the shite printed on Red Top headlines.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,842 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    C'mon Wibbs. Nobody thinks that there is ever a position that the virus is harmless until midnight. That is up there with the people who conclude that the legislators were under the impression that a 9 Euro sandwich makes you immune.

    The reason they limit activities is to reduce the opportunities for spread. If person A with covid runs into a room and straight back out, they will infect far less people than person B who has covid but who stays in the room for everyone else for 5 hours. Limiting socialising time simply reduces potential spread. That is all.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,524 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Sky saying they are asking for people in Essex who visited a fast food restaurant on 19 November should come forward for testing as one of those infected was in there at a time they were likely to have been particularly infectious

    So they arrived back in the UK before that, meaning it's known to have been in the community at least 10 days



  • Registered Users Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    I for one welcome our new Omnicron Super Mutant Overlord.

    It has gotten me out of all planned family meet-ups over the Christmas. All my Whattsapp groups are buzzing with End of Days scenarios. Quite the frenzy out there.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,411 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Panic in a vacuum. It wont be the last time there is hysteria.

    We seem to learn nothing and get less resilient.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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