When will life go back to normal

It isn't just the doctors telling fibs. Back around Feb or March 2021, Eamon Dunphy had a journalist named Philip O'Connor on his podcast. O'Connor is a Stockholm based raging leftie who appears in the Irish media the odd time to give his two pence on any newsworthy event that happens in Sweden (given most internationally newsworthy events in Sweden have involved terrorism and other ethnic crime he's a strange choice, but anyway).

In March O'Connor claimed that the wheels were coming off Swedish society, their hands off approach had been an absolute disaster, the public were ready to hang Anders Tegnell from a lamp post, the place was basically descending into chaos.

Of course, as we all know, Sweden has sometimes experienced spikes when their neighbours have been doing OK, yet 18 months in things have largely evened out, it is no chaotic outlier, and is currently reporting rock bottom numbers.

I asked Phil on Twitter if he would go back on Dunphy's show and explain why none of the scutter he blathered on about ever happened, why did Sweden not collapse, if he would concede that they handled the crisis calm and rationally.

He blocked me, naturally.

Deaf ears?

You still haven't responded to the biggest takeaway from all of this. Of the 5500 odd "Covid deaths", only circa 500 of these people would still be with us if Covid did not exist. Virtually every last one of the other 5000 Covid deaths would currently be deceased regardless. That is a fact that nobody in the media is willing to make clear. If you are a reasonably healthy person in your 70s and 80s it is quite unlikely you will die if you catch Covid, yet NPHET has thousands of these people living in permanent terror that they'll catch it from the postman.

The vaccine is more dangerous to teenage boys than Covid itself is.

#factsnotfeelings

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/three-in-10-covid-19-patients-admitted-to-icu-died-says-report-1.4719379+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

"Of the 1,813 people admitted to ICU with the virus between early April and late October 2020, 530 died, the report said."

I don't know how familiar you are with hospital protocol, but I'll tell you.

If a person who is terminally ill takes a bad turn, they are stabilised, given pain relief etc.

They are not put in ICU, as prolonging their survival is at this stage pointless.

A reasonably fit and healthy 92 year old who catches Covid would be put in an ICU. A 32 year old in the final weeks of stage 5 cancer who catches Covid would not be put in ICU. That's how it works.

Of the 5500 plus dead from Covid, just 530 of the deaths were among people who doctors believed stood a chance of going on to lead an active life post Covid if they recovered.

Every last one of the other 5000 Covid deaths would be, as of November 28th 2021, deceased by now regardless.

The vast majority would have died within weeks, months.

Terminally ill prisoner weeks from dying of cancer, is down as a Covid death.

This is the level of book cooking you are dealing with. This man was on his way out. Covid hastened it by a few weeks.

I copy pasted a paragraph from the article. Go Google it and find the article yourself. You won't believe it anyway so I'm nt gonna spoon feed you, I already showed you the most relevant part.

re your car crash scenario- that might be relevant if Eamon Ryan demanded we all stop driving to prevent car crash deaths.

Actually, don't be giving him ideas.....

Read the Google cache article if you have used up your weekly IT credits so, can be read for free via that.. What part, exactly are you unsure of?

11% of Irish Covid deaths have happened in an ICU. 89% on general hospital wards, nursing homes, hospices.

Terminally ill patients will not be transferred to ICU from nursing homes, hospices and general hospital wards. There is no moral reason to prolong the suffering of someone already desperately ill with, say, lung cancer, by sending them to ICU if they catch Covid.

Residents of nursing homes and general wards who not already on the brink of death will, if needs be, be transferred to ICU if they catch Covid and take a particularly bad turn.

Exactly what part of that do you not understand?

HPSC.ie screenshot on my phone, HSPC report from October 26tth 2021.

Deaths- 5432

Hospitalised who died- 2994

ICU deaths- 595 (11%)

Not admitted to ICU who died- 4837 (89%)

If you believe I'm making that up, go on ahead. I already linked an Irish Times article that broadly corresponds with the figures given. 89% of patients were ruled as ineligible for ICU treatment, as per the HSPC.

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/three-in-10-covid-19-patients-admitted-to-icu-died-says-report-1.4719379+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

"Of the 1,813 people admitted to ICU with the virus between early April and late October 2020, 530 died, the report said." (I'm assuming October 2020 is a typo and actually means October 2021)

You might be better taking your concerns to the HSPC or the Irish Times seeing as you don't seem to believe their maths.

Dr Tony Holohan: 'We think we've flattened that curve so much that there is no peak - April 2020

Leo varadkar "Two weeks to flatten the Curve" - May 2020

So what do you make of the 89% who died outside of an ICU ward?

It certainly wasn't because there was no room for them. At no stage, even when we had 8000 cases per day and barely any vaccines given out, were people turned away from full ICU wards. There were always beds available. Last December and January, when we saw people being treated in ambulances in the car parks in London and up the North, we, somehow, managed. We never reached that tipping point.

I am genuinely asking- under what reason were these people not admitted to ICU wards?

Answer- because they were too ill with a pre existing illness to justify transfer.

You can obfuscate all you want, I do realise we live in the post intellectual era and we are expected to ignore science and listen to people like Greta and AOC and Paul Murphy and any other loon of the month who prefers feelings over facts, but some of us hold the maths skills and rationale we acquired in 4th class quite dear to us.

"Not every critically ill patient makes it to ICU"

Indeed.

Usually as a result of car crashes, heart attacks, stabbings, assaults, gunshot wounds. Y

You are aware that despite what those fake videos from Wuhan in 2020 showed, people do not generally collapse from Covid. They feel a bit off, or are a close contact of someone, they get tested, and it goes from there. They call an ambulance or doctor if they take a bad turn, the triage at the hospital deduces whether ICU or a regular ward is appropriate. If patients are sent to a regular ward and end up dying there days later the medics involved will likely face a fitness to practice hearing for gross negligence, possibly even a criminal prosecution.

At a stretch, there will be a handful of people, mostly living alone, who because they have a fear of doctors/ hospitals or because they had fell deep into conspiracy theories didn't believe Covid existed, who will have died of Covid having not sought medical attention.

The number is negligible. I would imagine it somewhere matches the percent of people who die at home of cancer every year having not once consulted a doctor out of distrust or phobia and had not a single piece of treatment bar over the counter meds.

I am not responding to your posts any longer. If you believe Ireland is missing 5500 plus elderly people who would be alive today if not for Covid, keep peddling it. It isn't true but as said we live in the post truth post intellectual era.

No more replies to your nonsense.