The Ivermectin discussion

Is this the epic takedown of Vitamin D you keep mentioning?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902416/#Comment_117902416

There have been studies done and they found there is great evidence for its use.

Stop endangering public health by saying it does not in any way treat covid with the current evidence.

See? I can do that too ........ and it is just as meaningful as your statement.

That is another meta analysis and contrary to your post it states it is uncertain ...... so according to them IVM could or could not be beneficial.

In effect after doing their meta analysis they do not know the answers to the questions they tried to answer.

"Based on the current very low- to low-certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVID-19."

There are other meta analyses done which have both positive and negative conclusions.

Nothing is settled regarding IVM and its efficacy against Covid.

Its safety is not in question in recommended doses.

This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.

"Why COVID-19 is not so spread in Africa: How does Ivermectin affect it?"

"Conclusions The morbidity and mortality in the onchocerciasis endemic countries are lesser than those in the non-endemic ones. The community-directed onchocerciasis treatment with ivermectin is the most reasonable explanation for the decrease in morbidity and fatality rate in Africa. In areas where ivermectin is distributed to and used by the entire population, it leads to a significant reduction in mortality."

If the results of use of IVM in 31 countries indicate it is beneficial, then that is good enough for me.

That is even before I consider the results of its use in GOA or Uttar Pradesh. The use in Uttar Pradesh was "micro" managed by the WHO, and those results have never been even questioned, nor debunked.

But, we are all entitled to make up our own minds, regardless what might be posted on line.

The use of Ivermectin in India has been throughly debunked in this thread. You may as well say water is an effective treatment for treating Covid as Ivermectin based on the evidence that has presented in the Indian case. We also have an example in Brazil that completely contradicts the Indian example. Just because you ignore evidence doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Again to repeat no properly conducted study has shown any beneficial effect for Ivermectin when it comes to Covid treatment. The company that makes Ivermectin doesn't think it works when it comes to Covid treatment.

I appreciate you believe in Ivermectin but when it comes to Covid, Ivermectin is snake oil/a scam etc based on current evidence. However its important that people who read this thread are presented with the facts. The issue with propagating false information is that it does damage. If a person thinks incorrectly that Ivermectin protects them against Covid, they will be lulled into a false sense of security. This means that they will be less likely to get a vaccine and in more serious cases of Covid contact medical professionals on a timely basis. People who have access to treatments that are effective, have been tested and have actual evidence of effectiveness behind them.

It is your claim so you must have already this info. So where is the info on the WHO site or independent confirmation they approved Ivermectin use?

You seem to know so much about what happened in Uttar Pradesh. What were the full contents of the kit?

In Uttar Pradesh there was door to door contact tracing and testing...

"House to house visits undertaken in a mammoth drive in over 90,000 villages of UP to identify & isolate COVID+ve citizens & trace contacts."

Or are you just throwing up a smokescreen when your fake news is challenged?

I saw a link you provided to an article that described WHO supported initiatives in Uttar Pradesh, but the article didn't mention Ivermectin, and it also mentioned that people were being advised to get vaccinated. How do you claim that is providing information supporting benefits of Ivermectin?

If you believe in Ivermectin, why do you believe that? I'm on the fence as regards Ivermectin. I found studies that claimed marginal benefits, but some others that showed marginally worse outcomes, so on average it looked very much unproven. If Ivermectin was so clearly beneficial why can't it be shown? I, for one, would be very happy for Ivermetin to be shown to be a tool that can be used against Covid, but I haven't seen convincing evidence yet!

If you want to get your info from quacks, that's up to you. One of these days they might be right about something. They're bound to at some point, right? Maybe this is the one.

For those who are too lazy to look for themselves here is the list of the contents of the home kits provided in India.

Pulse Oximeter

Digital Thermometer

Paracetamol tablets (15)

Vitamin C tablets (30)

Multivitamin tablets with Zinc (30)

Vitamin D3 tablets (2 packs)

Ivermectin 12mg tablets (10)

Doxycycline 100mg tablets (10)

Three-ply face masks (5)

N-95 Masks (2)

Sanitizer (100ml)

Alcohol based Wipes (1 box with 20 plies)

Gloves (2 pairs)

The Goa Health Ministry actually published the contents

If that is not sufficient for you then you are clearly just biased without the capacity to think or read or maybe have some other impediment to absorbing information provided.

Strange, the anti vaccine site you get your fake news from were too lazy to list the contents of the kit, or go into detail about what actually happened in Uttar Pradesh. Do they have an impediment to absorb information? Were they too lazy? Or just too biased without the capacity to think? Why bother when you can just make up fake news!

I asked the question, not because I couldn't find it out myself, but because it was a red flag about the site that they made such great play about Ivermectin but couldn't bring themselves to list the actual contents of the kit. Which was a red flag if they were so familiar with what happened with the kit. Which obviously, they were not.

Their claim was Ivermectin must be responsible for the Uttar Pradesh results, because the 'active ingredient' in the kit was Ivermectin... whatever that mean - ignoring all the other things in the kit, ignoring that the kit was distributed, and also ignoring what was done in Uttar Pradesh that was not done elsewhere.

So returning to your false and baseless allegation that the WHO sponsored Ivermectin use there. Which appears to be a lie made up by an anti-vax site... yet you keep repeating it, without substantiation.

But let's dial back. This kit was distributed wides cale in India and Goa isn't even adjacent to UP. Yet it is the Uttar Pradesh results specifically you latched onto.

The WHO sponsored an aggressive door to door contact tracing, test and isolation with visit to 90,000 villages.

This must explain why, if the kit was used elsewhere in India, it is Uttar Pradesh that has such standout results.

So you have just disproved your own fake news.

Fair play.

A strange situation arose in Australia regarding Ivermectin.

It was available to doctors to prescribe off label up to Sept 10th 2021, when doctors were banned from using it except for 'approved' illnesses.

The reasons it was banned were given here

and Dr. John Campbell gave his view on the reasons given in this video which to put it mildly was rather scathing.

The timing of this pronouncement from the TGA struck me as odd.

Why wait so long?

Could it possibly have anything to do with the results of a 'real world' study in two Aus states which found the treatment to be very efficacious? I dunno, just wondering.

Below is a link to the results of that study.

The treatment consisted of

ivermectin 

doxycycline 

zinc

given for 10 days. Some 7% of participants were given additional vitamins and nutritional supplements. Here is a link to the study information

It also in its conclusion states that after gathering further details from the 30 doctors involved a paper will be submitted for peer review.

But the most pertinent conclusion is that the treatment "appears to be very safe, effective and inexpensive".

I realise there is a cohort of posters here who will dismiss this one also, but to be honest I much prefer to rely on actual doctors who treat patients and record their results, presented in this study ..... as well of course all the other doctors around the globe who have reported their results too.

So this is posted in the hope that it is of interest to others.

You do know Dr. John Campbell is not an actual Dr (that treats patients etc… as you put it). He’s a doctor of philosophy 😀

Also he’s got a very big disclaimer on his YouTube channel, where he makes a lot of money peddling his opinions to people like you, that his opinions are his own and nothing is peer reviewed. He deliberately misleads people that he is a MD as IMO it makes more people buy into his nonsense videos……… more subscribers, more money 🙄

You do know Dr. John Campbell is not an actual Dr (that treats patients etc… as you put it). He’s a doctor of philosophy 

Yes of course. What is your point?

Also he’s got a very big disclaimer on his YouTube channel, where he makes a lot of money peddling his opinions to people like you, that his opinions are his own and nothing is peer reviewed. He deliberately misleads people that he is a MD as IMO it makes more people buy into his nonsense videos……… more subscribers, more money 

That is a blatant lie.

I am sorry I bothered to even read this tripe.

I guess that is the limit of your contribution to this discussion - attack the person!

I should be used to that sort of post by now, but sometimes it irks so badly I respond.

This article has lots of links to further writings, but summarises the Indian experience quite well.

COVID-19 in India: A state declined to use early treatment and the results are appalling

https://trialsitenews.com/covid-19-in-india-a-state-declined-to-use-early-treatment-and-the-results-are-appalling/