When will life go back to normal

29-11-2021 9:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118241705#Comment_118241705

Thanks for confirming yet again that you made it all up and have nothing to actually back up your claims

It was good to get that confirmation, thanks for putting it to bed

lawred2 · 29-11-2021 10:13pm

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To be brutally honest, yes.

Covid is evidently meaningless to the vast majority of us.

My wife is working in cancer treatment. Awash with cancellations, machine shutdowns and delayed treatment plans. Scores of healthy staff out with positive tests. Their own words. A lot of them now questioning the ethics of our national covid response. You happy with the price these people are paying?

As for the teachers, well our local school has been hit by covid. Teachers and kids all out isolating. Very little by way of any sort of meaningful illness. Everyone seems to return the same after their little stint at home.

There will be tragic exceptions. Same as with every walk of life. But the state can't expect everyone to live under this constant threat of reduced liberties largely because of state failings to use our tax money to provide fit for purpose educational and health systems

29-11-2021 10:21pm

Probably never 😓

Was in one of the local chippers today,,, Used to be seating down left hand side, and behind where the counter used to be, but now the counter is going all the way across (which is easily 'rectifiable' , I suppose) but, not only that, it appears to be 'all kitchen' behind the counter - even down the left hand side, they've put in another worktop/sink area.

Now, I doubt the Italians know more than anyone else.. just don't bode well is all, regarding things 'going back to normal' ☹️

patnor1011 · 29-11-2021 10:35pm

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Why would you even engage with this kind of self-appointed homeschooled virology experts. All they know is to demand links and magically sounding "provide scientific proof" or "peer reviewed study". All posts and reactions are virtually the same and when there are no arguments they usually resort to labeling or outright insults.

PintOfView · 29-11-2021 10:46pm

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Why are the cancer treatment cancellations happening? Due to staff out sick, or due to hospital beds needed for Covid patients?

You seem to be suggesting that we just ignore Covid and try to work through it? What do you predict would be the effects on the hospitals, and cancer treatment, etc? And on schools?

As regards failing to use our tax money, etc., would you be prepared to pay more tax for a better health service?

29-11-2021 11:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118242231#Comment_118242231

Asking for data or scientific studies to back up numbers is anti-science?

There you go with 1+1=3 again

marilynrr · 30-11-2021 12:18am

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Yes you've said that already, however, some of us would rather have a fuller picture of the facts.

You said "I would say 35 pregnant women in ICU with Covid, particularly with difficulty treating them is sobering, wouldn’t you? That would be a disproportionate number for age group and pregnancy status."

You do not have the required information to know if it's disproportionate or not, some or most of those women could have already been in vulnerable categories.

Munsterman12 · 30-11-2021 12:24am

Life will get back to normal only if we eliminate the virus. Living with the virus is a pipe dream.

Munsterman12 · 30-11-2021 12:24am

Danzy · 30-11-2021 12:34am

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That's never going to happen and even if it was possible it would not be worth the cost or effort.

Like all viruses that have come before they weaken and disappear.

Measles or the plague of Galen as it was called took 25% of Rome in its first wave.

30-11-2021 12:57am

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Marilynrr, you understand by reducing the sample to a subset with only those who have underlying illnesses while the number of pregnant women in ICU remains a constant, it makes the proportion larger?

For instance, let’s say of the 40,000 pregnant women given as an approximate by another poster, 10,000 have underlying medical conditions apart from pregnancy which make them vulnerable to a Covid infection requiring ICU, the ratio goes from the less than 1:1000 approximate (given by the other poster) to 1:286. Applying that ratio to the general population would give an equivalence of 17832 ICU admissions. So I think your point would be better served being applied to a larger sample, not a smaller one if you want to think the 35 number isn’t “sobering”

Danno · 30-11-2021 1:11am

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The virus wins in the end. It cannot be eliminated until it wins.

Everything we are doing is just delaying the inevitable.

The virus should be let rip. It should have been let rip during the summer when hospitals are normally quieter and we had all the elderly and vulnerable vaccinated.

TalleyRand83 · 30-11-2021 2:37am

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Problem I’ve learned during this is we are actually a weak enough nation, we’d be terrified to be lumped in with out there anti vaccine heads so we all keep our heads down.

from being ruled by London and then rome to a certain degree and laying all our problems on each Ive realized we’re aren’t bold nation like we like to convince ourselves

HBC08 · 30-11-2021 8:54am

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That got 4 thanks....really?

This is quickly turning into the next restrictions thread.

@Dav010 you're fighting the good fight but why bother with measured, well thought out replies to this kind of nonsense.

Mad_maxx · 30-11-2021 2:02pm

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gosh NO , we are horribly afraid of not going with the approved respectable consensus

TooTired123 · 30-11-2021 2:16pm

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We don’t need to “pay more” to the health service. We already pay more per capita then most other EU citizens for our healthcare. Are you happy with the way the HSE operates? Do you think our healthcare system is fit for purpose? The HSE simply isn’t deploying the funds it gets in any way that is acceptable.

When do you expect Covid to be defeated? What can we do to defeat covid that hasn’t already been tried (and failed)? Is it acceptable to you for some reason that people be allowed to die of cancer just as long as nobody dies of covid? The majority of people who died of covid died because they were dying of something else and covid took them instead of pneumonia or renal failure or any of the other things that people die of. It’s astonishing that people have totally forgotten that everyone has to die. Of something. In the end. I’d genuinely like to hear your response.

30-11-2021 2:37pm

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Are you happy with the way the HSE operates? Do you think our healthcare system is fit for purpose?

You can ask the same question of any health system around the world and the locals will say its crap. Its the nature of health systems that they are never good enough for anyone

PintOfView · 30-11-2021 3:04pm

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We don’t need to “pay more” to the health service. We already pay more per capita then most other EU citizens for our healthcare. Are you happy with the way the HSE operates? Do you think our healthcare system is fit for purpose? The HSE simply isn’t deploying the funds it gets in any way that is acceptable.

I don't know enough of the details around our health service to judge, or defend them. The only thing is that 50% of people pay private health insurance, and that pays for a lot of health services outside the public system, and this makes me think that finance may be an issue.

When do you expect Covid to be defeated? What can we do to defeat covid that hasn’t already been tried (and failed)? Is it acceptable to you for some reason that people be allowed to die of cancer just as long as nobody dies of covid? The majority of people who died of covid died because they were dying of something else and covid took them instead of pneumonia or renal failure or any of the other things that people die of. It’s astonishing that people have totally forgotten that everyone has to die. Of something. In the end. I’d genuinely like to hear your response.

I don't expect Covid to be defeated, I expect it will fall in line beside the flu and remain a mostly seasonal thing that transmits, like the flu, when people are together in unventilated spaces in the cold months. And we may need an expanded health service to cope with it.

No, it's not acceptable to me that people be allowed to die of cancer (that may have been the view of the poster to whom I was replying). I guess the hospitals have to treat people on a first come, first serve, basis, so if they are full of Covid patients then there are less beds for others, including cancer patients. I was arguing against the notion that we should just ignore the virus, and open up and allow our young people to live life as normal, and I was asking what that poster thought the effects on schools and the health service would be. I think we need to manage the amount of Covid going round as much as we can, with a balance of restrictions, so as to protect the health service from being overrun, and schools being shut for lack of staff.

ArthurDayne · 30-11-2021 3:36pm

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There is literally nobody making the argument of “to hell with the hospitals”.

The argument has only ever revolved around the differing views people have as to the appropriate balance between preserving life and enjoying life. That’s the key word — balance. Nobody ...nobody at all... is actually advocating that the wholesale abandonment of the interests of the health service or schools is in any way whatsoever a viable way forward. It’s simply a difference in opinion as to whether the outright prolongation of life (considering that the vast majority of Covid fatalities are people at or well beyond life expectancy, or have other comorbidities they wouldn’t have avoided anyway) is a prize that is worth restricting the very essence of what being alive is actually about — enjoying it.

I notice on this thread that there seems to be an assumption of a political constant. The fact is, given enough time and given enough constant resorting to moral absolutism by those who decry sceptics of the Covid policy as cold hearted, the day eventually comes when frustration among the public translates into mainstream politics. And I just hope we don’t hang on to this moral absolutism long enough for the political incentive on public anger towards restrictions to be seized by those with a more dangerous broad agenda.

TooTired123 · 30-11-2021 4:04pm

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McGarnigle2020 · 30-11-2021 6:25pm

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I just truly can't understand the true believers.

Until a wonder knock out drug is invented, Covid will be in our society.

Either by then, or by a point where it has infected most people and herd immunity has been achieved. Even this seems impossible- as rare as it is I do know someone who has had sympotamatic Covid twice in 10 months (very minor of course, but sympotamatic nonetheless).

For the true believers, what is the end game?

How long do they believe this is sustainable?

The other week Tony Holohan was on Kieran Cuddihy's show on Newstalk and essentially said that he can see a life of re open, re close, with some permanent element of restirction, going on indefinitely.

The UK, and most of the US, have, by and large, done away with this rubbish.

England has reinstated masks, but that's nothing to worry about as most of the English don't seem to be daft enough to actually obey the rule, so it won't really impact on day to day life.

I just heard an adventure centre owner on Matt Cooper saying people have been cancelling kids parties left right and centre since last week's waffling.

It begs the question, what sort of parent is actually listening to Donnelly and NPHET? We haven't seen naive, misguided parental decisions this harmful since the days when parents thought there was nothing untoward about the parish priest talking them into let their sons spend the weekend at the parochial house. The cult of Caholicism has merely been replaced by the cult of the medic. Their trust in these people is scary, and hopefully in a decade when retrospection shows how hysterical the last two years were, their kids will cut them out of their lives for having destroyed their childhoods.

They should be ashamed of themselves. If there are children in this country who are frightened of Covid their parents have failed at their job.

30-11-2021 6:49pm

Op, in terms of how much longer will this last, take a look at the post right above this one to see why its going to drag on and on and on

Micky 32 · 30-11-2021 7:24pm

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A chipper in Longford did the exact same.

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