Santy get a boyfriend...

El_Duderino 09 · 30-11-2021 12:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244273#Comment_118244273

You've no problem with in principle, just in practice.

Santa's made up. He's imaginary and can be reimagined any way anyone wants.

30-11-2021 12:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244319#Comment_118244319

Exactly. Even the practice doesnt bother me.

Is Santa made up! Who dropped the skateboard to me last year!!

Anyway my point is everyone is equal and has equal rights. But if something is plodding along in it's own sense of being why change it.

This advert is clever as it gained the attention it was to gain by doing just this.

El_Duderino 09 · 30-11-2021 12:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244347#Comment_118244347

Nobody has changed Santa. Nobody has said he has to be gay or that you have to consider all imaginings of Santa to be gay.

What you're essentially objecting to is that someone else imagined an imaginary character differently to how you imagine them.

JimmyVik · 30-11-2021 01:02PM

I find it amazing how so many in this thread just dont unbderstand the significance of Santa for childhood in Ireland or a lot of other countries for that matter.

Leave Santa to being the guy who comes once a year down the chimney or through the keyhole and leaves presents. Have a gay Elf all you want as their backstory is not clear yet, but Santa is married to a woman (an important, supportive, lovely, well liked woman at that) and has been for many years now.

30-11-2021 01:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244373#Comment_118244373

That's very true I suppose.

But why couldnt it be just two men kissing at Christmas time then on an advert?

As I have no pre conceptions of this an neither does many people I would expect.

Having kids myself and keeping the illusion alive I dont want to have to explain this advert to a child not that's it's wrong just where do you begin.

The world is complicated enough without this kind of thing.

Effects · 30-11-2021 01:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243979#Comment_118243979

I don't think Spiderman and Lois Lane were ever really a couple. Probably didn't even have sex. I'm open to correction on that. 😂

Láidir agus Dílis · 30-11-2021 01:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118222883#Comment_118222883

Out of curiosity why do you put quotation marks all throughout your posts when unnecessary? It's tough reading.

30-11-2021 01:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244397#Comment_118244397

When did Santa get married?

Seriously, given that he is entirely fictional, someone somewhere decided to give him a fictional wife. Which appears to be ok by posters.

Now, someone else, somewhere else, decided to give him a fictional boyfriend!

So fictional wife, heterosexual relationship, fine.

Fictional boyfriend, homosexual relationship, bad.

JimmyVik · 30-11-2021 01:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244461#Comment_118244461

You are stalking me arent you.

You are making the mistake you usually make of not being able to see things through other peoples eyes. Its called empathy. You dont seem to have it.

That would be childrens eyes in this case.

El_Duderino 09 · 30-11-2021 01:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244413#Comment_118244413

How would you explain Santa kissing Mrs Claus to your children? Doesn't seem that complicated. Santa is magic, visits every house in the whole in 24 hours, can zip down chimneys and has acquired copyright to manufacture every piece of entertainment from iPhone to barbie. Use your imagination.

Láidir agus Dílis · 30-11-2021 01:26PM

The world badly needs 'Straight' month for sexual equality in the world. 95% of the population are straight but have no month to celebrate their identity. Like Pride month in June, straight people should have a month to party.

30-11-2021 01:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244498#Comment_118244498

I dont need to explain a heterosexual couple to my children as it's the norm they know.

They grew up with it.

They also grew up with santa clause so this is also the norm they applied here.

We as a family support inclusion to a huge level I'm not going into on here.

The point here is imaginary or not why are we now putting a spin on something that should not be sexualised in any way or form.

Why are we putting it in the arena or something it's not

And why cant people state this fact without being labelled a bigot.

That's my point not the fact two men are kissing on TV which I have said I dont mind several times

EmmetSpiceland · 30-11-2021 01:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244560#Comment_118244560

Why have 1 when you can have 11?

Láidir agus Dílis · 30-11-2021 01:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244575#Comment_118244575

False. There are no designated events specifically celebrating my sexuality. No organised parades. No TV programmes. No flag waiving or mardi gras. No local libraries holding talks etc.

Effects · 30-11-2021 01:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244571#Comment_118244571

Two men are fine kissing on TV, as long as one of them isn't Santa?

But Santa is ok kissing someone as long as he's kissing a woman, cause that's what your kids see as normal?

Is that right?

El_Duderino 09 · 30-11-2021 01:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244571#Comment_118244571

Ok. So you say Santa is heterosexual but you also say it "should not be sexualised in any way or form". So do you equally object to Santa being heterosexual as you do with it being gay?

If not can you explain how Santa being heterosexual and having a wife is in keeping with your belief that Santa "should not be sexualised in any way or form"?

30-11-2021 01:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244614#Comment_118244614

What's wrong with it that way?

El_Duderino 09 · 30-11-2021 01:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244438#Comment_118244438

Fine, but wasn't Superman "sexualised" as heterosexual? And that doesn't seem to be a problem to the same posters who object to a character being "sexualised" as gay. They only see it as being sexualised when they're gay. Same with Santa. He's been sexualised as heterosexual in the past and they only object to him being sexualised when he's reimagined as gay.

The Silver Branch · 30-11-2021 01:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244617#Comment_118244617

Because the idea is you can make every figure, fictional or otherwise gay. And that's simply not true and right, around 3-5% of the population are gay. And we love them. But heterosexuality has to be valued too, or bye bye human race. The gay agenda has gone beyond equality to bullying.

30-11-2021 01:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244617#Comment_118244617

This is going around in circles good luck to you.

This is so far removed from my original point.

It degrades here as always into claims of bigotry when anything like this is mentioned.

You said it your self santa isnt real which can be said for equal rights on this thread.

Ten of Swords · 30-11-2021 01:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244603#Comment_118244603

What kind of talks? You mean back in the bad old days when people were shunned, attacked or even in some extreme cases killed for being straight?

I guess you would need a party after that kind of collective trauma.

Láidir agus Dílis · 30-11-2021 01:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244680#Comment_118244680

We could do with a few talks on parenting, relationships etc. And, the need not to pressurise pre teens and early teens into making decisions about their sexuality too quickly based on biased media.

Christians were fed to the lions in ancient Rome. Christian month May. Straight month July. Irish month March, extend SnaG, as the Irish definitely were shunned and killed. As many Muslims as gay people now, Muslim month, they've been persecuted. Protestant month, 100 years since many were forced to flee southern Ireland.

But your right, only one group deserves a special month.

Ten of Swords · 30-11-2021 02:07PM

Were you not looking for 'sexual equality' in your earlier post?

Think you moved the goalposts a bit too far with your post above, I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make anymore.

Annasopra · 30-11-2021 02:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244571#Comment_118244571

Why is there a connotation that a heterosexual married santa isnt sexual but a gay santa is? Why is a little gay kiss sexualised but a straight kiss wouldnt.

The fact you are hyping this up as "sexualised" suggests you do mind

El_Duderino 09 · 30-11-2021 02:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244660#Comment_118244660

Are you mixing up imaginary characters with real humans?

Ok which 3-5% of imaginary character should be made gay and how should they be chosen? If Santa was chosen by lottery to be gay (or trans or black or whatever based on the percentage breakdown you're proposing), what difference would it make?

Also. Heterosexuality is valued. Nobody is objecting to imagining Santa a heterosexual. The only objections are to Santa being imagined as anything other then heterosexual and still there's a suggestion that heterosexuality (or even the entire human race) is under threat.

Annasopra · 30-11-2021 02:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244603#Comment_118244603

Ah come on now.

We constantly get bombarded with imagery of heterosexual couples everywhere.

Heterosexual weddings are celebrated and shown off widely - in towns, in newspapers, on tv, in movies, photos, online.

Your thesis that Heterosexuality is never celebrated is pure nonsense and drivel.

El_Duderino 09 · 30-11-2021 02:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244663#Comment_118244663

It's a pity you're ducking out now because if you answered the questions I asked in the post you quoted, then we could both get out-of the circle and resolve the question.

Pwindedd · 30-11-2021 02:21PM

Did anyone even consult Santa on his sexuality ?? No - when they imagined him all those years ago, back when homosexuality WAS A CRIME (thank fook those days are behind us), he was saddled with a wife (beard) and left to get on with it, because that was the default setting for everyone. Why do they not have any children...? He couldn't get it up for Mrs Claus but now he's happy and gay and proud. Yay for love!!!

I hope Mrs Claus went on to find true love … or at the very least got herself a toy-elf to keep her up all night 😉

And by the way Santa is not just for kids he's for everyone - young and old. You may stop believing that he's real but you carry the magic on for the next generation. In whatever way, shape, form or persuasion you damn well please!

Effects · 30-11-2021 02:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244644#Comment_118244644

Nothing wrong with it either way. You shouldn't be getting so worked up about it.

30-11-2021 02:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244888#Comment_118244888

Or not at all if you damn well please too hehehe

But I wonder did anyone consult Mrs. Claus on any of it either actually? A few posts earlier in the thread accusing Santa of infidelity and wondering how Mrs. Claus will take the whole thing.

How presumptuous :) Perhaps they have an open relationship? Fidelity is not an attribute of everyones relationship - and there is nothing wrong with that. Seeing other people is not uncommon. "Hall passes" while you are "away on business" but not when you are at home is also not uncommon. And let's face it Santa was probably "away on business" in that advert.

Also why do people jump directly to homosexuality when they see Santa kissing this guy? How few people on the thread (any?) suggested bisexuality here?

Hehehe I can still play this recreational outrage game even if I am desensitized to it :)

Santy get a boyfriend...

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