Hawkeye - Disney+ (Spoilers)

Slydice · 29-11-2021 9:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237483#Comment_118237483

Kinda wantin an appearance of Punisher now.

I get it though.. it feels a lot to ask.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AWbDI2WCyE

fritzelly · 30-11-2021 4:13am

I'm confused by this show - it's called Hawkeye but so far is more about Bishop and Hawkeye very little screen time

ceegee · 30-11-2021 12:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243078#Comment_118243078

There's a reason the show is called "Hawkeye" and not "Clint".

First episode was pretty Kate heavy but they had to give her origin as well as introduce the potential bad guys. Going forward it looks like it'll be more focused on Clint and Kate working together

flazio · 30-11-2021 10:09pm

Some sad news, Alaqua Cox, the actor playing Echo has just lost her father. 🙁

https://www.instagram.com/p/CW6g-oUOV7a/?utm_medium=copy_link

Niska · 01-12-2021 11:10am

Uncle speculation

It's Kingpin, right? Right!?

flazio · 01-12-2021 6:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118249725#Comment_118249725

We don't say his name. 😋 If it's going to be the same Fisk as the Netflix version then the uncle is a moniker as Wilson was very much an only child. They missed a trick by not getting Ayelet Zuler (Vanessa) as a background character in the auction scene. Imagine the tongues wagging then.

That was a lot of fun again. I like the deaf representation here. I haven't seen Eternals yet but I understand that there's a deaf actor in that as well. Plus last year there was a deaf character in the video game Miles Morales. Motion captured by a deaf woman.

I'm enjoying it. Plot holes be damned.

Agent Coulson · 01-12-2021 8:03pm

They teased in Wanda and then p1ssed off a fan base when they didn't follow through.

They are 100% going to follow through with this one imo.

A guess on what they teased in episode 3.

This will be the introduction of the Netflix characters and D'Onofrio will be Fisk in the final episode.

Slydice · 01-12-2021 9:37pm

3: !!!!!!!!!!! Dammit!! Don't end that like!

Fun episode all the same 🙂

Had some feels for

Maya and her backstory.

also not sure if Clint is gonna make it home in time.. maybe Christmas Day.

Slydice · 01-12-2021 9:41pm

Just went back and rewatched

BIG STRONG HAWKEYE RIDING BRONY

about six times! 😁😂🤣😁

kerplun k · 02-12-2021 4:25pm

Finished with Ep3. We're going down the Mephisto rabbit hole again, aren't we...

pixelburp · 02-12-2021 4:53pm

Only watched the first episode: while possibly the most low-key piece of MCU I've watched in ages, I enjoyed that switch of pace. Felt like for once we got something resembling a human-level view of the world. The "Rogers" Musical was a piece of cheesy, winking brilliance [*]

And I'd have to check against the movies, but I have an inkling the standard cinematic MCU colour grading isn't being applied with these TV shows: the colours really popped in that episode; lots of warm hues that made a nice change of temperature and feeling from the images.

I see the usual MCU TV show speculation has started already. That'll end well. 🙄🤣

[*] Yup, they released it: I apologise in advance.

"We lived through the 80s and this too shall pass". LOL, nice burn there New York.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3R9DOrpUDE

Brief_Lives · 03-12-2021 1:35am

I'm still 50 50 on this...

Starting episode 3 now...

Mr.Nice Guy · 04-12-2021 12:52am

I caught the first episode and liked it more than I expected. I'll give it a chance.

GottaGetGatt · 04-12-2021 1:18am

The trailers gave me a CW show vibe but episode 3 was good.

Tony Dalton playing Jaque is giving me serious Better Call Saul withdrawals. He's so good in that show.

gmisk · 04-12-2021 10:19pm

Episode 3 was very good, the fight in the toy shop was excellent, really solid series so far, the tracksuit mafia are fun, echo decent as well. The two leads are ace. I think it helps that it doesn't seem to need to push things along or have massive consequences for the ongoing films, the fact it is a bit smaller and contained is a good thing.

flazio · 05-12-2021 8:04am

I was today years old when I realised that Hailee is also the voice of Gwen in Spider-verse. (new trailer just dropped) Second time Disney+ has done that to me after Kathryn Hahn and Agatha/Doc Ock.

Agent Coulson · 08-12-2021 10:37am

Fantastic episode this week and the chemistry between the two leads is really great.

Seeing the cost everything is having on Clint is quiet sad.

CastorTroy · 08-12-2021 4:07pm

Things getting serious now.

How many times has Kate been told to go home?

Now just hope the cop gets her bag back.

Was looking up the actress who plays Echo and surprised to see it's her first role.

pjcb · 08-12-2021 8:03pm

were they all even in the same place? nope

flazio · 08-12-2021 8:24pm

It's about time "she" turned up.

Slydice · 08-12-2021 9:47pm

4: That was really fun and actioney. If people have saved this for a Christmas binge it really feels like they made the right decision!

In still have to

watch Black Widow. Doesn't feel like I've missed out much from this episode. That Black Widow assassin looks/feels much like the trailers I saw.

gmisk · 08-12-2021 10:17pm

Episode 4 another cracking episode!

Extra bonus points for Hawkeye and Kate's excellent Christmas jumpers! Plus a decent amount of the adorable pizza dog :)

kerplun k · 09-12-2021 10:36am

I’m really liking this. It’s got great warmth, very easy to watch, enjoyable and just overall a great heart.

flazio · 09-12-2021 11:17am

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Alequa Cox. Not all that surprising to be honest. In an industry that relies heavily on sound, meaningful roles for deaf mute actors would be few and far between. And she's quite young.

That being said, I am enjoying her portrayal of Echo and I'm looking forward to her own show next year.

I want to give a nod to Lauren Ridloff in Eternals recently and Natasha Ofili who did the motion capture for Hailey in the videogame Spider-man: Miles Morales last year. It's good to see roles opening up.

Mr.Nice Guy · 09-12-2021 3:57pm

I find the actress who plays Maya awful. She's my biggest problem with this show that otherwise I'm enjoying. Her acting range seems to extend simply to an angry pout, looking like a spoiled teenager. Absolute charisma vacuum. Wasn't aware she was playing a comic book character, which unfortunately means she'll be sticking around.

Hailee Steinfeld is really carrying this show. Always found Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye incredibly boring, and this show would be horrendous without her there to bring some personality to it. Wouldn't mind seeing a spin-off show involving her as Kate Bishop.

pixelburp · 09-12-2021 4:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118296304#Comment_118296304

I presume that's where this series is heading: Clint putting away his bow so he can finally just live with his family in peace - with Kate Bishop taking up the call; be it cinema or TV mandated. Same as seen with Falcon becoming Captain America; though it'll be interesting to see if Bishop gets her own movie as a follow-up.

Agent Coulson · 09-12-2021 4:13pm

Well they have been setting up introducing members of the Young Avengers in all these Disney+ series.

Patriot, Wiccan & Speed, Kid Loki have been introduced in Falcon & Winter Solider, WandaVision & Loki

Ms. Marvel & IronHeart series up coming

Cassie Lang and Ms. America will be brought in next few movies.

I would imagine The Young Avengers will be a Disney+ thing and stay mostly away from the cinema.

flazio · 09-12-2021 4:26pm

What about that 7up kid from The Eternals?

09-12-2021 7:18pm

The big take I took out of this weeks episode is that Laura is more than likely Mockingbird.

flazio · 09-12-2021 7:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118297377#Comment_118297377

Mockingbird was already used in Agents of SHIELD. Adrianne Palacki (Cmdr Grayson on The Orville) played Bobbi Morse for 2 or 3 seasons and while Marvel Television productions (ABC, Netflix and Hulu series) aren't considered canon anymore Marvel Studios have been careful to leave a door of imagination ajar for fans of those series. So it's unlikely Mockingbird has been recast yet.

EoinMcLovin · 09-12-2021 7:42pm

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then that means Agents of Shield is not par of the MCU . I'd say she definitely used to work for SHIELD.

Regarding the watch, it's probably tied to her. Saw one interesting theory. She has never been seen off the farm, why wasn't she in New York with the rest of the family? She could be hiding her identity from the public altogether and the watch has all her personal history on it.

Also new trailer out. won't embed it as spoiler from latest episode in the thumbnail

https://youtu.be/rmIDwZ78jBg

Agent Coulson · 09-12-2021 9:01pm

Laura could easily be Mockingbird in this Universe now that the Multiverse is here.

AoS, Netflix Universe, Cloak and Dagger, Runaways, Helstrom, Inhumans & Agent Carter can now all be set in different universes so they don't have to be cannon to this MCU.

kerplun k · 09-12-2021 10:37pm

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Never thought of that. Would be another shade to AoS if this was true.

irish_stevo815 · 09-12-2021 11:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118297474#Comment_118297474

I don't think Bobbi was ever referred to as the moniker "Mockingbird" in AoS so it could work and make sense that it is in fact the wife who is Mockingbird in the MCU.

Who do you think own the Rolex? Was thinking initially in Episode 1 that it was one of Tonys nanotech watches, but it is clearly someone who is still alive floating around somewhere. Steve Rogers maybe?

FunLover18 · 09-12-2021 11:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118298656#Comment_118298656

I get the impression the watch is linked to someone's identity, there aren't many people in the MCU who have secret identities so I'm thinking it could be

Daredevil.

Need a Username · 12-12-2021 1:43am

I just watched episode 3 - ECHOES.

the car chase is absolutely fantastic - great imagination from the directors to do some of it from the point of view of being in the car

how often in the movies did Barton use trick arrows? The only ones I can remember are from the Battle of Manhattan with the grapple hook and exploding arrows.

it really is a shame that Johannsen and Renner didn’t get solo movies earlier or maybe a team up in one

Need a Username · 12-12-2021 1:49am

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Agent Carter can still fit in the MCU.

Nothing in that that contradicts or is contradicted by the MCU

the others don’t fit though

Need a Username · 12-12-2021 1:55am

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You could be right about Bobbi Morse in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - I remember I had to look up she was at first.

I could be recalling this wrong but didn’t the dog take the watch after the attack on the auction? I remember thinking he seemed to know what he was doing - like he was after the watch himself.

Am I remembering that right?

Need a Username · 12-12-2021 2:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118298348#Comment_118298348

No one is “shading” Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

the very nature of the show meant that from the start it was never truly a part of the MCU - Coulson’s death is what triggered Stark and Rogers to work together which lead to the whole group becoming a team. If he was resurrected in the MCU it would spoil that - similar to how dragging the Emperor from his grave would spoil Star Wars if some one did it.

I liked Coulson and I liked Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. but it was a What If… alternate reality - glad I got it but happy it is it’s own thing.

and I don’t see a reason why the MCU should lose out on any character just because they were in that series - however isn’t Mockingbird pretty much Black Widow? I would much rather see more supervillains being used than a another hero who isn’t really original

I think the only comics characters Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. had that would be useful to the MCU are Talbot and Creel.

fritzelly · 12-12-2021 2:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118307972#Comment_118307972

I'm pretty sure the movies or the events were referenced in AOS

Need a Username · 12-12-2021 2:14am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118307975#Comment_118307975

Yes but not the other way around - and the show dealt with some world changing events like the creation of InHumans and the return of S.H.I.E.L.D. to public attention.

it is an alternate reality pure and simple regardless of what the shows makers said at the start and clearly they knew it

Need a Username · 12-12-2021 2:21am

The relationship between Barton and Bishop is great

and I really like that Bishop isn’t a cynic like Barton but is this life to help people and believes in superheroes

the Black Widow movie made it clear there is going to be an appearance in this show by Florence Pugh and I hope it is significant

Bishop’s earnestness and Yelena’s snark (is that the right word) should make them a great team in the future

kerplun k · 12-12-2021 12:52pm

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Dunno about that, Feige recently confirmed Charlie Cox would play DD if/when he comes into the MCU, so anything can happen.

D+ shows have had a few opportunities to give a wink or nod to AoS, and each time it’s being ignored. So in my book the MCU have shaded AoS.

But also think your right if the theories on Laura are true, and if she’s not Bobbi Morse, then I guess they aren’t stepping on AoS toes.

flazio · 12-12-2021 9:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118307975#Comment_118307975

Indeed, I would still consider right up to the end of season 2 when Coulson and Hill were getting the heli carrier out of mothballs for Fury to use in Age of Ultron to be canon. It's when the new director was introduced and brought SHIELD public as the point that the watcher brought in the new timeline.

Re Agent Carter, didn't that series pretty much decanon the earlier "One Shot"?

Foxtrol · 13-12-2021 6:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118307982#Comment_118307982

To me they always had enough plausible deniability to say AOS was part of the main timeline of the MCU, as much as you need for most standalone MCU movies (e.g., why other Avengers/heroes don't show up to beat the bad guy).

For your examples, we've seen plenty of street level powered people floating around the MCU who don't come on the Avengers' radar to stop and Stark had built out the Avengers to the point where they didnt need any new SHIELD for support, especially with government ties.

I don't see how anyone could question how integrated they were during the initial series though, if they 'knew' it was an alternative reality they placed key plot points driven by the show in a $1.4 billion movie to support this lie. Plans clearly changed as time went on and internal politics shifted and they struggled to stay with the main MCU thread so had to make decisions that began to push it outside of the timeline.

Foxtrol · 13-12-2021 6:32pm

Loving this show so far, they've nailed the balance of making a low level threat interesting and warm - especially leaning on Christmas. Special note to some of the mixing of music from older movies, didn't expect the emotional response to hearing the Vormir theme in that last episode

pixelburp · 13-12-2021 9:26pm

Episode 3 and really digging this. A balanced, low stakes adventure that proves the MCU really doesn't need to be running at 11 to work (assuming we don't get a last minute sky beam, but it really doesn't seem to be heading there). Steinfeld and Renner have great chemistry, without ever being too glib or facetious at the wrong moments.

Said it before but it feels like a warmer, more vibrant palette is being used. Everything just pops that bit more, the camera used to sell the emotion more than usual. These Disney+ shows have had much more adventurous directors.

And the hearing aid is immediately one of my favourite pieces of humanising applied to an Avengers: it's such an obvious, simple little piece of character work; with the phone call to his son being entirely heartbreaking. In many ways this is the level the Black Widow film should have been IMO, but that's another story.

Oh and if the "uncle" isn't who everyone's assuming it to be? Hoo boy there'll be tears on Twitter (though you'd think by now people would learn).

Need a Username · 13-12-2021 11:02pm

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You seem to have misunderstood some of what I am saying.

It has nothing to do with why superheroes don’t turn up in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - same reason as they don’t turn up in each other’s movies all the time. It is about Agents, Eternals, Shang-Chi, etc.

yes there is there street level - much of what the Agents dealt with was the kind of threats they faced before Stark got his suit. And much of it doesn’t show up on Avengers radar is because S.H.I.E.L.D. cover things up.

im guessing that by “initial series” you meant “initial seasons” - I never said Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. was NEVER integrated. The point I made was that when world changing events like InHumans, the return of S.H.I.E.L.D. to public attention, etc. occurred but had no impact or even mention in the movies was when the show had detached itself from the MCU.

And I never said the show was created as an alternate reality series. I meant that is how I look at it and that is what the producers and writers made it.

Need a Username · 13-12-2021 11:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118308720#Comment_118308720

Charlie Cox did a great job on Daredevil but this hardly spitting on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

several actors from non-MCU Spider-Man movies are returning to ply those characters

in what way is not shoehorning in some mention of an unconnected TV series an insult to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

they don’t even reference each other

Coulson is favourite of mine and I’m glad something more was done with the character BUT his death in Avengers Assemble is a key point that changed a lot.

he was never going to be reintroduced into the movies. the show was fine as a team of heroes flying under the radar. When they started changing the world is when they decanonised themselves.

Agent Coulson · 15-12-2021 10:42am

Yeah they did it

Kingpin is here!!!!!!!!

Yelena needs to drop that terrible accent.

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