Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Well in Greece it's a €100 per month fine if the over 60s don't get one. Austria talking about very hefty fines of €7,200. Not many people can afford that to hold out. Add to that universal requirement for the Covid cert and that's how it will be effectively mandatory.

Lockdowns on the unvaccinated and mandatory vaccinations coming to Germany but not to worry though, it's only a conspiracy theory.

They'd probably introduce something like mandatory covid passes for workplaces, so that you'd need it pretty much everywhere.

(Don't see the need for mandatory vaccines in Ireland myself, the vaccine uptake rate is very high already, nor do I think it's going to happen in the near future)

The President of Austria Alexander Van Der Bellen has said the mandvax has created "deep divisions".

Hey why not decimate social stability and have deep divisions all over Europe? Anything to halt this killer plague which is wiping out Europeans, soon there'll be no one left.

@Wibbs wrote

This is fun, because you think I was making a different point than the one you read.

Exactly. Now, what happens when the "rest of us" are refusing to be vaccinated? Actual hard facts; a healthy unvaccinated person is 15 to 20 times more likely to land in ICU than a vaccinated one.

According to you:

So you're saying that hospitals should refuse to treat the unvaccinated. Maybe you wouldn't advocate a "die on the streets" approach, but presumably you mean "they can't have an ICU bed". In which case you'll send them home or maybe hire out the RDS to act as a place to hold unvaccinated people who are circling the drain.

The actual hard fact is that while you have a significant proportion of the population unvaccinated, there is no "living with covid", because your hospital system will struggle to cope. This is not smallpox or 'flu. And it's also not the 1920s or the 1950s. If this was the 1920s, we would have field hospitals where people go to die because there's fvck all else we can do for them. If this was the 1920s, that 1% of people who currently go to the ICU, would have to settle for crossing their fingers and hoping their body doesn't give up.

Thankfully there is something we can do to help people now, but it comes with a capacity limit. Once you hit that capacity limit, it's 1920 again.

What you state is a "far better plan", is no different to just letting the infection do what it does and picking up the pieces after.

Again, the issue here is not discussing the failings of the past or planning new ICU beds for delivery in 2023. It is addressing the very real issue right in front of countries, right now. A large cohort of people who are unvaccinated, rapidly increasing incidence of the infection, and a hospital system that cannot cope with the combination of the two. What can they do in the next 3-6 months?

It seems like your preference is either:

• Refuse medical treatment for the unvaccinated to protect the hospitals
• Lockdown again until sufficient hospital capacity has been built, or
• **** it, lets just see what happens

For the avoidance of doubt - I'm not saying mandatory vaccinations are the way to go, I'm merely teasing out Von der Leyen's comment that it is important that the matter is discussed. Thinking that if we don't discuss mandatory vaccinations then it won't happen, is like the puritanical approach to sex education.

If we want to avoid it as much as possible, it is important that it is put on the table and discussed.

2nd case for USA, no travel history to Africa so community infection in NYC.

CONFIRMED Global CASES 385 (which may include 2 in USA).

3 In Iceland

Edit: - Sorry this was posted to the wrong thread.

Can anyone advise which shops are selling the Antigen testing kits, I am booking some flights for the weekend and prior to that I'd rather ensure I'm clear of any infection.

What gives Varadkar the authority to suddenly declare the vaccines are three course and not discretionary. Social contract broken once again. Will people who suffered severe side effects to dose 2 be exempt or will they be forced to kill themselves for the ‘greater good’.

It's literally called "booster" on the vaccine cert.

Mandatory vaccination should never be in the table, period. But I can’t say I’m surprised after some of the other suggestions you’ve come up with.

Boosters for elderly and vulnerable. Everyone else should be free to carry on regardless. I’ve seen and heard from healthcare workers - no one outside of those I’ve just mentioned are in hospitals. Why are boosters being pushed on healthy and younger people who are more likely to suffer adverse effects of the vaccine?

Lidl . Aldi . Dunnes . All are €3 each

It's not just a PR approach. It's a sinister attempt to make it appear that you must have a 3rd shot to be considered fully vaccinated. Use of the word "discretionary" here is deliberate. What's the antonym of "discretionary"? Compulsory or mandatory.

Home Antigen tests are not valid for travel, so you may need a professional test depending on where your traveling?

Edit:- My earlier post in thread was meant for 'The Omicron variant' thread.

Yes, this is something I'm aware of, but to be extra cautious I'm taking a home test prior to getting the actual test the same day I travel... as I will of booked everything then and would be unable to cancel. This way I can at least test and be negative and confirm all good to book. I need to test on the Saturday, fly and return on the Sunday.