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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    I just wish that for once, one of them had the guts and honesty to discuss why they behave like this in a frank way.


    Not gonna hold my breath though.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    I'm not sure that they are being consciously aware of their deception. Similarly to faith in religion, they just accept the tale they are told and don't question it. But in most cases it's not deliberate.

    Something too difficult to understand, because science can be complicated and often confusing or doesn't make obvious sense, so it's easier to belive some deity did it, or for conspiracy theorists that some shady unknown evil corporation did it. Equally impossible to prove the existence of either the deity or Evil Corp, but that is instead taken as proof of their existence in both cases.

    Can't prove the deity, as that would mean you have insufficient faith in the deity. Can't prove the existence of Evil Corp as they are Evil Corp and control everything obviously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,209 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I've noticed that the ones who openly claim there's a big conspiracy by Satan or whatever actually do go into "detail" on it, they make some sort of effort no matter how bizarre, these types genuinely seem to believe it all

    It's the rest of them, those who actively dodge questions, engage in all sorts of shenanigans, techniques and tools to escape scrutiny - who are we kidding, of course they know they are lying. It's just that they are okay with doing that. As we've seen, it's like a "liars club" in here because they will happily validate other people's contradictory BS if those people validate theirs. Whatever it takes to satisfy the core belief.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    Robert W Malone, MD

    Inventor of MRNA and RNA as a drug.

    "First time in history that the ineffectiveness of a medicine is being blamed on those who haven't taken it."

    It's Moronic.

    I'm honestly asking anyone who's willing to answer: what's the ethical, scientific, and logic justification to force the entire world to receive a product made by habitually criminal companies who aren't liable for injury or death, when the product doesn't even stop transmission?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,209 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    I'd say it's pretty common with other vaccines. They are generally all more effective for the population as a whole based on the more people who take them. Nothing new regarding vaccine programs through history, and nothing new as far as covid vaccines are concerned either as it was well known from before they even had the vaccines developed back in the beginning of 2020 that when the vaccines were used it would need a high percentage of the population to have them in order for things to get under control... and that is exactly how things have panned out with higher and earlier vaccinated populations currently fairing better with the current wave of infections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Bit **** rich for you to come here and ask people to answer your question.

    Why should any one do that for you when you've done nothing but dodge and evade every question put to you?


    In reality though, you've no interest in an answer. You're just looking for another excuse to link dump the latest nugget your grifters have told you to spread for them. And like a good little boy, you're doing like you're told.

    Did they also come up with your clever gotcha question too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,209 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It's like a cult. Once they are in, they regurgitate whatever disinfo they are fed, without question. When it's pointed out as false, do they ever turn around and acknowledge it? Nope, they just hop to the next bit of disinfo. It's not like they are innocent to the fact that it's a lie. These are the type of individuals who label others as "sheep" and "brainwashed". It's spectacular cognitive dissonance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Well he's already done his little fly by for the week. Just gotta wait for the next shallow sound bite and propaganda dump.

    Who needs bots when you can trick folk like Buzzer into doing the work for the bots...?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    History repeats itself once again…

    People who aren't vaccinated will be excluded from non-essential stores, cultural and recreational venues in Germany.



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  • Subscribers Posts: 41,863 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    and rightly so... as they are a seriously risky source of infection



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,209 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Good. They put other people at increased risk and put the health system under unnecessary additional pressure - at no benefit to anyone. Do you have any coherent thoughts on this or perhaps a conspiracy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,656 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,045 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,209 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Mandating vaccines during a pandemic is the "same thing" as the treatment of Jews according to people who have utterly no grasp of reality and by some remarkable coincidence also happen to be anti-vaxxers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,688 ✭✭✭storker


    During WW2 there was conscription, rationing, landmines and barbed wire on beaches, a blackout, a requirement to carry a gas mask at all times, the removal of city children from their homes. Those measures were in place for about six years (I believe rationing lasted a bit longer). All were gone shortly after they were no longer needed.

    Some people around here need to educate themselves on the meaning of the word "permanent".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 384 ✭✭selephonic


    Absolutely misleading to call him the "inventor of MRNA and RNA as a drug". He was one of a number of people who suggested it could be possible. He then went on to make a lot of claims that are not widely accepted as true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,045 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    He isn't the "Inventor of MRNA and RNA as a drug".

    MRNA was "invented" in the 1950s . Are you claiming he invented it years before he was born?

    Or did you just see a snappy post on Facebook with a picture beside it and blindly accept it as truth because it fits your confirmation bias?


    Spoiler - Yes you did.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,863 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Par for the course with auld buzz buzz....


    Not one original though in that noggin



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    First it was Delta, now its Omicron. Together they spell MEDIA CONTROL.

    WHEN SIX CORPORATIONS OWN EVERY SINGLE NEWSPAPER, RADIO STATION, AND TV CHANNEL IT'S ALL FAKE NEWS! The best way to fight the new variant is to turn off your TV. They call them Programmes for a reason.

    The Propaganda and lies will be permanent.

    Post edited by buzzerxx on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Turn off your tv, but not your social media echo chambers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    First was alpha but carry on with your bs.


    Your work for the government is really impressive. You’re making an ass of all CT’ists very effectively and with little effort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    Oh you and the Governments would love that, stop communicating with each other and listen to the ''official'' narrative. MSM is an echo chamber, they all read the same bullshit script.

    Thank God for the internet because mankind has been lied to long enough.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    What about the other variants, why did you miss those out?

    And why would a conspiracy among the media deliberately pick delta and Omicron as the two more publicised strains such that they make a handy Countdown conundrum which then reveals their involvement?

    Don't suppose you can tell us which these six corporations are who you are concerned about, so that we can check what the media in another country which isn't controlled by them is saying?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    I am in the unvaccinated control group of the Covid vaccine study going on worldwide right now.

    Just doing my part.

    Somebody has to do it. 😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Yes you are doing your part very effectively as an agent 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,791 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,209 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Another amazing coincidence that this is the rallying call for flat-earthers, and the anti-5G crowd, and the Qanon types. What are the chances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,209 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Have family and friends distanced themselves from you due to your extreme views?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    If you had even the vaguest notion of that period in history; your conspiracy addled brain wouldn't have allowed you to make such an indefensible comparison.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    And again a very weird comparsion yo make on a forum where some of his buddies deny the holocaust.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    So just to clarify you believe that the people behind this conspiracy picked the names for the variants so that they could make an anagram?


    What a silly thing to believe.

    But unless your conspiracy theory buddies directly counter you on this I think we should all assume they share this belief.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,863 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    "first it was delta.... "


    Lol

    There, in a nutshell folks, is the level of intelligence these jokers are working from



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    The regular folk in here must be getting bored, inventing conspiracy theorist accounts like buzzerxx and nafirinne.

    Enjoy your little echo chamber guys, nobody is falling for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    So apparently we have conspiracy theorists to thank for predicting that the annual booster will be required as they predicted the whole thing. But wait isn't covid just a flu, and flu needs an annual booster. OK enough of that logic.

    I don't have the heart to point out them that the media were widely reporting in February this year the same thing.

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-will-we-need-an-annual-vaccine-booster-12205644



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,209 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I am pretty sure I called this one awhile back ;)



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Was there not claims about it being something to do with the mark of the beast a couple of pages back? If so then I've found the cause of the devil rising, it because buzzerxx wasn't studying their bible well enough as then they would have spotted that it wasn't a Countdown conundrum with Delta and Omicron after all as the bible would have taught them at least a couple of bits of the Greek alphabet.

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%201%3A8&version=NIV



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Great point Buzzer. Pity your posts get buried amongst the drone's. My favorite politician Katherine Connolly, a beacon of hope in the pit of idiocy, raised the "Moronic" anagram of Omicron in the Dail today to describe the governments baseless and incessant encroachment into our lives.

    No doubt the cogs of the outrage machine (like those who monitor this forum 24/7) will endeavor to cancel her or paint her as some kind of "ALT-RIGHT-ANTISEMITIC-WHITE-SUPREMACIST-CONSPIRACY-THEORIST" overlord



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol of course you would buy into this notion of secret anagrams.

    But again your support is not exactly helpful and probably not welcome given that your own beliefs are also very silly and very embarrassing for other conspiracy theorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    Demonical rot

    doctorial men

    old cremation

    aim decontrol



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    clarinet doom

    cran dolomite

    domino rectal

    molar noticed


    Anagrams are fun.

    What are we doing?



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    Jaysus ye need a life, soon its just gonna be a winter flu jab shot for whoever wants it.

    Its not aliens who farted on us that caused it.

    I had it, I had fatigue for a day without the vaccine and that was it.

    Its nearly over, calm down pettles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    So you not realise how moronic it is to believe that anagrams would be used?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Something we've learnt from murder mystery TV or the likes of Bond or other films is that the evil bad guys always need to have some elaborate announcement where they tell everyone what they have done with a flourish, right before the hero kills them or they get led off to the cells by Miss Marple.

    An anagram is clearly what all conspiracies would have to show their plans at a critical moment. What more proof could we possibly need?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Some people claim that they do stuff like this and drop in 666 and other Satan stuff cause their all Satanists and this is to power their sinister magics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,742 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre




  • Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    I would agree that it's not desirable to have the ownership of news media concentrated in a small number of corporations. However here are some points:

    • The place you got that from was referring specifically to the US, and perhaps you get a lot of your reading material from such sources. Here in Ireland we may have a slightly wider base of owners due to getting UK news channels, and newspapers in addition to our own, but ownership has become more concentrated over the years.
    • News media, and the media in general, is a business, not a charity, or anything else. They cultivate an audience, just like the sites you read, in order to feed the consumer advertising. Their output will likely follow broadly consistent themes, so your sites will likely have conservative, and conspiracy or religious angles. Other sites, which attract different audiences, won't have this or it would put their readers off, and they'd lose advertising opportunities.
    • One of the six corporation you mention is News Corp, owned by Murdoch family. It owns both Fox News and the Wall Street Journal, but both of those would have different audiences, and their editorial biases would be a bit different see https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2012/09/27/section-4-demographics-and-political-views-of-news-audiences/. You have to ask yourself if Murdoch only lies to one of those audiences, or to both of them, or if the Editorial policy is mostly set within the individual media outlet to primarily appeal to their particular audience?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,209 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    This is not black/white enough for conspiracy theorists. They want to project all sorts of made-up fantasy notions and conspiracies, and as with anything made-up they are contradicted by things such as journalism. In order to counter that, the conspiracy theorists claim that journalism is a conspiracy. Likewise when their views are refused by science, then that's a conspiracy. If investigators demonstrate conspiracy views are wrong, then the investigation is a conspiracy. We've even had several posters suggest that academia (yes really) is also a conspiracy.

    Basically anything that contradicts their conspiracy views is a conspiracy. Neither of which any of them ever explains.



  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭Shilock


    It's best to have a control group, after all we don't have long term research on the benifets of these vaccines.

    I got vaccinated, but sometimes I wonder was it the right thing to do. I had no adverse reactions thankfully so far amyhow.

    I think they're calling the control group or unvaccinated the organics now lol

    Then there's people posting all kinds of mad conclusions about twilight zone type of futuristic scenarios.

    It's a dark hole to start going down...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    And when the conspiracy claims become too ridiculous and embarrassing because they're obviously false and obviously silly, then they're part of the conspiracy too.


    Usually only the person who's claiming their particular conspiracy theory (and the grifters feeding it to them) are right.

    Which is an amazing coincidence.



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