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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭dirkmeister


    Cillian de Gascun is “hopeful” schools can reopen in January according to rte.ie…that’s the headline at least.

    You'll have people seeing that and panicking completely.


    If you were cynical you might say this is all timed to ramp up the fear and get people onside for more restrictions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    There's a real level of immaturity in understanding that from a lot of posters on here. Thankfully from sounding im hearing in the real world people are accepting of any coming measures. Omicron has changed everything for the coming Xmas period.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,672 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Is there a high proportion of HIV positive people in Ireland and a very low vaccination rate?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    So omicron is this Christmas version of the “new” virus last Christmas known as the Kent virus.

    Jesus , I’m so glad to be leaving Ireland in January. At this point it’s definitely a one way ticket



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,265 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    After the claim that they expected cases to dip to under 700 in mid December I'm fully convinced it's a wind up account.

    Living on a different planet with that claim



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,669 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Again more generalities presented as absolute.

    Usual comment every couple of days from you for going on 21 months now.

    It IS dangerous to healthy people . Not AS dangerous but still healthy people with no underlying conditions end up very sick in ICU and some have died .

    Obviously that danger is almost done away with because of vaccination...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭bloopy


    It is down the page - table a.

    I will hold my hands up here though and say that I should have been more accurate in what was reported - it was 12% confirmed unvaccinated. I am not sure of the number unspecified. Maybe it is there on the page somewhere but I cannot find it when reading it on the phone.

    Looking at the dates on the other reports, another one should be released in the next few days so likely the numbers will have changed - didn't the primary school outbreaks kick off in a big way really in the last two weeks (outside of the timeframe of this report maybe?).




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Makes you wonder why the non profit AZ was hounded it and the non profit J&J. Now you think about it not much Moderna kicking about either.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,485 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    The Nphet horse has bolted and MSM look to have what’s in Their letter to government already! It’s disturbing the way the hospitality sector is being treated! It’s an agenda at this stage.

    wheres Snake oil Nolan’s new models? We’re they not to be published at the start of the week or has he gone back to hogwarts to magic up some magical figure that’ll never happen….



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,424 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Darn it.

    You certainly stopped me in my tracks with your anecdotal evidence of healthy people dying



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,427 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    EU must be wondering what planet Ireland is on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭Mango321


    It's not the OP making 'the comparison'.


    The OP posted an article from a Financial Times journalist (an outlet not renowned for being left-wing) outlining the extraordinary recent growth in cases and hospitalisations in South Africa (despite assumptions that almost everyone had prior-infection 'immunity').


    Updated to today:


    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1466480120215048199





  • Registered Users Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    Take a history lesson mate.

    Read up on previous pandemics, they take along time to pass. The only people who will suffer mentally are the ones who live in denial about the situation.

    False hope is a dangerous thing, education and awareness can help with that but it starts with people taking the time to understand history themselves.

    This will take years, accept it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    Bang on.

    I was in the city centre last Thursday night and it was empty. Which was a pleasant surprise, people are listening and following the measures. We all need to do our part.

    Others will sit there and complain, offer no solutions and completely ignore science - mind boggling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Disaster? I'd a great time last Xmas (up until it was shut down)



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,004 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    This is some of the posters here with NPHET





  • Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Thankfully representation on here isn't reflective of wider society. Most people understand how precarious a situation we may face in the next few weeks



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,424 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    When the vaccines are finally approved this will be over thankfully

    Oh wait . . . .



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,123 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    Nah NPHET would never leak anything, it was obviously Leo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    If its true that that letter hasn't even been seen by government yet the Nephet clearly, undeniably are playing for power. If the government don't implement those restrictions now the media will have a frenzy. Tomorrow will be very interesting



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,427 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The leaking coming from NPHET is disgusting.

    Doctors leaking important information to the media.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    I have seen some of the economic projections from this. Quite scary how much we will be borrowing to pay for all the supports. The projections will mean cuts to public sector numbers and pay. Capital investment will be down. A high proportion of current year revenues will be needed to service debt. We will be back to next emigration and many college leavers will be back on London, Sydney and elsewhere as Dunlin will shut down every winter for flu season.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,669 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    What is scary is the amount of people here that thanked your post !

    Germany are not embarking on the social exclusion of any group . Their politicians are embarking on a democratic discussion in their parliament at this time , nothing else .

    It has been said that if mandatory vaccination were to be introduced , it would be in MARCH ! You did know that before you posted ,did you ?

    Think about that ... 3 month away ! Not exactly imminent disaster is it ?!

    Sounds like away of making it a sensible option for people to get a vaccine over the next few months ,and then March when crisis over, then no more need for mandatory vaccines.

    Otherwise if they were indeed serious , why wait ?

    Some people here trying to scare others into thinking that even Germany is gone all right wing ...oh yes , Ireland is next ...yeah right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,669 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Well that's misinformation!

    Link and proof otherwise retract ...



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Maybe you should do a bit of reading of history yourself. Past pandemics strongly tended to be seasonal. Even the Black Death came and went, year by year in an environment of near constant rolling plagues in Europe, like cholera, smallpox and other "plagues" we're not sure of the type as chronicles tended to lump everything in as a "plague". The most recent big killer, the so called "Spanish" flu(more likely American in origin) lasted from 1918-1920. The pandemic of 1957 was burnt out by 1958. The Plague of Athens was another seasonal pandemic. Coming and going in different regions over a few years. The sixth century Justinian Plague lasted four years overall in the regions it affected and in an era of much less rapid travel. If we look at the individual areas by infections, they lasted about 18 months. And this was well before vaccination came along, although some Asians and Africans had developed variolation* strategies against the red plague smallpox, which Europeans later looked and thought, hmmm, they might be onto something, and found they were.



    *very clever notion. Basically smallpox is a respiratory virus, not unlike covid 19 in its mechanism of action. It gets into the mucus membranes of your nose and throat and then tries its damnedest to fcuk you up as your immune system tries to catch up, while the virus fcuks your immune system itself and a third of the infected didn't survive that fight(with the nasty version). So what those early clever bastards did was noticed this and realised that maybe if they deliberately introduced the pox first in an area that wasn't the nose and mouth this might give your body time to fight the bastard. So they would get the scabs and the fluid from the "pocks" of the infected, dry them out and prick the skin and introduce this matter into the wound on the skin. Because it was in an area of the body it couldn't take over and reproduce fast enough to feck you over it gave your body's immune system time to see and recognise it and mount defenses before it took a greater hold and kick it out. And it worked. Pretty bloody well. Lowered the death rate massively. Then one Ed Jenner noticed that milk maids never caught smallpox, because they had been exposed to the very minor cowpox and vaccination was born(though he wasn't the first). Vaccination; from the latin word "Vacca" for cow. Some have considered that the trope of the pretty "farmers daughter" in literature and ribald jokes may stem from the fact that farmer's daughters were much less liekly to have suffered from smallpox so didn't have the pock marks on the face of smallpox survivors.

    Musing further on this, could olde stylee variolation work today but in a more controlled, more scientific manner? By this I mean covid 19 is a respiratory virus, so what if we introduced into the skin a weakened form of the full virus, so the body mounts defenses and builds immunity that way, well before it infects the respiratory tract and causes the serious issues in some? There have been suggestions that masks, even if they don't stop infection can lower viral load coming into the respiratory tract so the body can get on top of covid before it gets a chance to get really dangerous, so maybe an updated variolation could work? An oddball thought I grant you, but the beauty of it could be that any new variant that shows up could be pretty quickly used against itself. Than again it's late so... 😁

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭kittensmittens


    And that has nothing to do with severe poverty, astronomical crime rates, feck all health service, zero social welfare system, dire housing, incredible alcohol and drug abuse rates etc etc .............just covid huh?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,443 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    We have borrowed huge amounts during 2020 and 2021, yes.

    However, the new public debt was borrowed at really low interest rates, typically 0% to 1%, so the interest bill is low, and manageable.

    There is no appetite for any austerity, so I do not expect any cuts to PS numbers or pay.

    However, the current PS pay deal allows for 1% pay rise pa, which is a fall in real pay, given current inflation.



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