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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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    #27632
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,973 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    This is some of the posters here with NPHET


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    #27633
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260434#Comment_118260434

    Thankfully representation on here isn't reflective of wider society. Most people understand how precarious a situation we may face in the next few weeks



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    #27634
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,361 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260495#Comment_118260495

    When the vaccines are finally approved this will be over thankfully

    Oh wait . . . .



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    #27635
    Royale with Cheese
    Registered Users Posts: 9,094 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260049#Comment_118260049

    Nah NPHET would never leak anything, it was obviously Leo.



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    #27636
    Timmy O Toole
    Registered Users Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    If its true that that letter hasn't even been seen by government yet the Nephet clearly, undeniably are playing for power. If the government don't implement those restrictions now the media will have a frenzy. Tomorrow will be very interesting



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    #27637
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,309 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The leaking coming from NPHET is disgusting.

    Doctors leaking important information to the media.



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    #27638
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    I have seen some of the economic projections from this. Quite scary how much we will be borrowing to pay for all the supports. The projections will mean cuts to public sector numbers and pay. Capital investment will be down. A high proportion of current year revenues will be needed to service debt. We will be back to next emigration and many college leavers will be back on London, Sydney and elsewhere as Dunlin will shut down every winter for flu season.



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    #27639
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118257663#Comment_118257663

    What is scary is the amount of people here that thanked your post !

    Germany are not embarking on the social exclusion of any group . Their politicians are embarking on a democratic discussion in their parliament at this time , nothing else .

    It has been said that if mandatory vaccination were to be introduced , it would be in MARCH ! You did know that before you posted ,did you ?

    Think about that ... 3 month away ! Not exactly imminent disaster is it ?!

    Sounds like away of making it a sensible option for people to get a vaccine over the next few months ,and then March when crisis over, then no more need for mandatory vaccines.

    Otherwise if they were indeed serious , why wait ?

    Some people here trying to scare others into thinking that even Germany is gone all right wing ...oh yes , Ireland is next ...yeah right.



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    #27640
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118257910#Comment_118257910

    Well that's misinformation!

    Link and proof otherwise retract ...



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    #27641
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260398#Comment_118260398

    Maybe you should do a bit of reading of history yourself. Past pandemics strongly tended to be seasonal. Even the Black Death came and went, year by year in an environment of near constant rolling plagues in Europe, like cholera, smallpox and other "plagues" we're not sure of the type as chronicles tended to lump everything in as a "plague". The most recent big killer, the so called "Spanish" flu(more likely American in origin) lasted from 1918-1920. The pandemic of 1957 was burnt out by 1958. The Plague of Athens was another seasonal pandemic. Coming and going in different regions over a few years. The sixth century Justinian Plague lasted four years overall in the regions it affected and in an era of much less rapid travel. If we look at the individual areas by infections, they lasted about 18 months. And this was well before vaccination came along, although some Asians and Africans had developed variolation* strategies against the red plague smallpox, which Europeans later looked and thought, hmmm, they might be onto something, and found they were.



    *very clever notion. Basically smallpox is a respiratory virus, not unlike covid 19 in its mechanism of action. It gets into the mucus membranes of your nose and throat and then tries its damnedest to fcuk you up as your immune system tries to catch up, while the virus fcuks your immune system itself and a third of the infected didn't survive that fight(with the nasty version). So what those early clever bastards did was noticed this and realised that maybe if they deliberately introduced the pox first in an area that wasn't the nose and mouth this might give your body time to fight the bastard. So they would get the scabs and the fluid from the "pocks" of the infected, dry them out and prick the skin and introduce this matter into the wound on the skin. Because it was in an area of the body it couldn't take over and reproduce fast enough to feck you over it gave your body's immune system time to see and recognise it and mount defenses before it took a greater hold and kick it out. And it worked. Pretty bloody well. Lowered the death rate massively. Then one Ed Jenner noticed that milk maids never caught smallpox, because they had been exposed to the very minor cowpox and vaccination was born(though he wasn't the first). Vaccination; from the latin word "Vacca" for cow. Some have considered that the trope of the pretty "farmers daughter" in literature and ribald jokes may stem from the fact that farmer's daughters were much less liekly to have suffered from smallpox so didn't have the pock marks on the face of smallpox survivors.

    Musing further on this, could olde stylee variolation work today but in a more controlled, more scientific manner? By this I mean covid 19 is a respiratory virus, so what if we introduced into the skin a weakened form of the full virus, so the body mounts defenses and builds immunity that way, well before it infects the respiratory tract and causes the serious issues in some? There have been suggestions that masks, even if they don't stop infection can lower viral load coming into the respiratory tract so the body can get on top of covid before it gets a chance to get really dangerous, so maybe an updated variolation could work? An oddball thought I grant you, but the beauty of it could be that any new variant that shows up could be pretty quickly used against itself. Than again it's late so... 😁

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #27642
    kittensmittens
    Registered Users Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭kittensmittens


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118254722#Comment_118254722

    And that has nothing to do with severe poverty, astronomical crime rates, feck all health service, zero social welfare system, dire housing, incredible alcohol and drug abuse rates etc etc .............just covid huh?



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    #27643
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260556#Comment_118260556

    We have borrowed huge amounts during 2020 and 2021, yes.

    However, the new public debt was borrowed at really low interest rates, typically 0% to 1%, so the interest bill is low, and manageable.

    There is no appetite for any austerity, so I do not expect any cuts to PS numbers or pay.

    However, the current PS pay deal allows for 1% pay rise pa, which is a fall in real pay, given current inflation.



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    #27644
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 18,437 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260576#Comment_118260576

    The German chancellor actually said it would be in February. You did know that before you posted, did you?

    That is a minor point of course, but the rest of your post is too ridiculous to take seriously. Are you really claiming that it is all some 3D chess thing to push vaccinations and that they don't intend to actually make them mandatory despite explicitly saying that they do?

    Because the conspiracy forum is...



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    #27645
    nocoverart
    Registered Users Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    I’m thinking if this turns out to be a “Storm in a Teacup” Variant I’m not paying any attention to Covid in the future… most possibly all to do with our current mindset and the times we live in. Reacting and over blowing everything from the comfort of our own homes. Sh1t timeline!



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    #27646
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260630#Comment_118260630

    Do you think interest rates will stay low with inflation of 5%. Investment is leaving ireland right now.



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    #27647
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260630#Comment_118260630

    Those interest rates are usually not for the term of the loan, the amount of debt affects any future borrowings interest also, it's not without serious consequences for future generations.



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    #27648
    JRant
    Registered Users Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260659#Comment_118260659

    The massive QE program over the past 2 years is helping to drive inflation. This claim of "sure the interest rate is zero, we're golden" is unbelievably naive. We constantly roll over our debt. Sometimes we get favourable rates like now, other times we didn't, like when we were bailing out the bondholders. Nobody knows what the interest rates will be in 5/10 years time when we start rolling over some of thos debt. That's when the real crunch comes unless we start growing the economy. However, its extremely difficult to do that when nobody can have any confidence what way this current bunch of yahoos are going to react to a bloody model produced by a couple of academics that has less and less bearing on reality as the months go by.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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    #27649
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260049#Comment_118260049

    And people use to say it was only Leo leaking things. Saint Tony and co. would do no such thing.



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    #27650
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260674#Comment_118260674

    A bunch of yo yo’s with dodgy ideas and worse modelling coming up with measures to deliberately depress the economy while doing videos from their offices telling people they should be working from home. Jesus wept.



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    #27651
    JRant
    Registered Users Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1466503404524556288?t=aPeNLkxeVVyB8TK2nhpNnQ&s=19

    If the government run with any of this they all need to be shot into the sun.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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    #27652
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,392 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    The individuals in NPHET who advised leaving nightclubs closed until respiratory virus transmission season began and then advised shutting them 6 weeks later should be immediately relieved of their duties.

    It should be a National scandal the amount of money pissed down the drain on foot of “modelling” that’s as accurate as modelling done by a monkey with a packet of crayons. Absolutely disgraceful.



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    #27653
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I see a couple of FF TDs annoyed that the media seen the restrictions shopping list before them. Will they speak up and challenge their lame duck Taoiseach, will they fck.

    It’s sad that it’s come to this but the only hope we have is Leo raises his voice again. But I suspect he won’t as he is happy for FF to crumble and wait to lick up the pieces.

    Don’t get me wrong, NPHET are the danger to society here. They are playing politics and have used the media to leak and control the narrative. But our broken government three way system has added to the malaise.



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    #27654
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,199 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260576#Comment_118260576

    No idea where you are going there but you're a bit all over the shop. Are you suggesting the German chancellor is lying about the introduction of mandatory vaccination as some kind of ruse or something because well the conspiracy theory forum is thataway ------>

    Also you do know that they are introducing significant restrictions on unvaccinated people effectively excluding then from large parts of society - you did know that before you posted did you?

    It's quite revealing that mandatory vaccination in the EU is now being dismissed with nothing to see here responses.



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    #27655
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Nightclubs to close fully this time and 50% public transport capacity according to John Lee of the mail.

    Fck them and their playing politics with peoples lives. They are government advisors, a government with a back bone would have them sacked for leaking their shopping list for how they’re going to fck over peoples lives once again.



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    #27656
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260659#Comment_118260659

    Most public debt is borrowed at fixed interest rates.

    We have locked in very low rates on much of the debt.



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    #27657
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,199 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260524#Comment_118260524

    It's a power struggle and NPHET are very much in the ascendancy at the moment with elements within NPHET leaking information to the media to ensure maximum pressure on the government to implement what they want. Unfortunately this government is too weak to do much about it.



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    #27658
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260664#Comment_118260664

    Correct, yes there are consequences.

    Our public debt is high, yes, and I am a bit worried.

    Not very worried, but a bit worried.

    Thankfully, the interest bill has fallen.



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    #27659
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    https://www.ntma.ie/business-areas/funding-and-debt-management/statistics/debt-interest

    Current and future interest bill on public debt.


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    #27660
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,199 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260725#Comment_118260725

    About €130bn or so of the national debt matures over the next 10 years. If rates continue to stay low we can refinance it at very low cost. But even a modest increase in interest rates in that time would have a noticable impact on the interest bill.



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    #27661
    TalleyRand83
    Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭TalleyRand83


    I think the non-extreme (either way) punters have totally given up now, enough of the bollox, the most political pandemic ever.

    There is still an older cohort swallowing all their fear pills from Claire Byrne and Pat Kenny but I’d say any non-virtue signalling person under 60 (with a normal health status) is done…..no poxy omicrom is going to work lads……give up, people will be having as normal an Xmas as possible



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