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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,037 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    NPHET have lost the plot

    i hope he's wrong but fear he will be right

    It is the Mail so I will wait for other sources

    However the government haven't the balls to stand up to NPHET so they will get what they recommend



  • Registered Users Posts: 372 ✭✭Jimi H


    Good thread here on what’s happening in SA




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yeah knew that . Not a whole lot different to those people choosing not to take their vaccines for the protection of that same society if not their own protection.

    It will be discussed and voted on, so am sure the very strong principles of democracy in the Bundestag will ensure that whatever is deemed the fairest option will prevail .

    But it seems to bother you so much that you are trying to make people believe that the Germans are pursuing an authoritarian right wing policy.

    There is no conspiracy, it's called politics . They are using what methods they can reasonably employ to reduce the numbers of unvaccinated over the next few months , before they bring in mandatory vaccines , because their health service is having a pretty bad time of it too .

    Who knows, it might work , and as I said, but you didn't seem to understand , they will probably not need it in March .

    As for the other measures , thats what most other countries are doing with Covid passes.

    Nobody dismissing mandatory vaccination in EU , because there is none , yet. That would be you and others jumping the gun as usual.



  • Registered Users Posts: 38,310 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    F*******K

    What will be in the governments minds will be 'oh we disobeyed last Christmas and look what happened', NPHET are a smart bunch and have backed the government into a corner.



  • Registered Users Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Mullaghteelin


    Nobody thinks Germany is headed towards Right Wing authoritarianism. Left wing authoritarianism is an actual thing too, you know.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Fair enough.

    Any type of authoritarianism then ,is unlikely in that very balanced parliament.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,341 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    Is the number of people now we have in ICU less than it was at this date last year when we didn't have the vaccines? In the UK the figure is less.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    My antigen test experience. Last Thursday had my pcr for my trip to the states on Saturday . Passed and off i go.

    I brought a few antigen tests with me. Come Monday i thought i’d try one for the craic. Low and behold “ oh f**k!” A second faint line. According to the instructions I’m positive. So i take a second one, oh double f****k same result. No symptoms whatsoever.

    So after a restless night i got hold of 2 more tests. Different antigen brand by Abbotts. First test negative. Did another test the following morning and same result negative.

    Today i took a PCR and low and behold negative.

    interesting…..

    My advice is if you’re traveling do the more accurate PCR test.

    Post edited by Micky 32 on


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,456 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Very depressing to be reading about more restrictions the week before I fly home for Christmas, although not really surprising.

    I gave up caring about case count long ago from being here in Canada, no clue why they are doing this in Ireland when hospitals aren't calling out from up above.

    Can't see many sticking to these guidelines, especially around Christmas. So many will feel confused when they have their vaccine and did what they had to do over the past 20 months or so. And who could blame them? Christmas was non-existent last year, I spent it here in Canada and hated every minute. The local pub was like a lonely hearts club of Irish people who couldn't travel home. I don't expect this to be met with anything other than anger as we were all gearing up for a good Christmas with fiends and family, now that looks to be on thin ice due to panic on what MIGHT happen with data coming from South Africa with has less and 30% vaccination rate.

    I will be in a pub, through hell or high water, with my pals. I missed it dreadfully last year, I can't miss it again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭M three


    Over 2 weeks since positive covid pcr test (mild headcold like symptoms for 3-4 days around the time of test).

    Is there a test available that will tell you if you can still pass it on to someone else? Is that what a lateral flow test does?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,341 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    Could we have a ballot in the over 75's whether they wish to have the rest of the country wait around and die before they do from Covid?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Is always worth checking out something before posting about. Pre Covid UK got about 370,000 cancer doses per annum. Have there been Zero since Covid began? Because that is the only way those numbers add up



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,357 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users Posts: 24,357 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Deleted..

    Official RTE Twitter account putting out bullsh"t. There's a surprise



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    I want to believe what she says but she’s a hung ho mask everyone, zero covid loon! Looks like hysterical ranting to me and trying to frighten people




  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think the articles mean cancer tests/screening etc. Not all of them would be positive obviously.

    Either way, it's potentially thousands of missed cancer cases.

    Sure nobody cares about that kind of stuff anymore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,328 ✭✭✭prunudo


    We've been stable at 4k case numbers for a while now. Hospital numbers are falling albeit slowly the last few weeks. Bar tinkering with opening hours, society is pretty much mixing and interacting as normal. We are now in winter, a season known for sickness and illness.

    Begs a question, what sort of numbers did nphet expect when they decided to push opening on 22nd Oct. Cases were always going to rise, but so what, large cases don't matter anymore.

    In saying that, peel back the info, everything that has being leaked is still tinkering at the edges, and will do nothing to cases. 4 households for Christmas dinner is still a sizeable group.

    They've lost prospective, with so many vaccinated this virus is not serious for the vast vast majority. Certainly not proportionally to the damage its doing to society.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,357 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Tony's track record isn't great on cancer. But he brazened that out quite impressively. Doubt he cares. Covid is his moment to shine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,357 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Why weren't you at home "following the measures"?



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Careful there u could get a ban for mentioning Tony and the c word.that never happened apparently.not on his watch



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭Polar101


    So.. on a scale of 0 to 10, how happy are you with your antigen test experience?

    Sounds like there is some difference in quality, at least.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Some will be cancelled the rest will be rolled over; it's how sovereign debt works. It's all about affordability of the debt not we have it. The NTMA takes care of all that pretty well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 31,067 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    The closest you'll get to that is a PCR, in terms of negative=safe, but you won't get a HSE PCR for that reason.

    Otherwise the usual advice is 10 days after symptom onset.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,251 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Posted in the travel thread but worth posting here also.

    AerLingus advising that the testing requirements have been pushed out 48hrs




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    For many people socialising with friends and particularly the tradition of emigrants coming home at Christmas and meeting up with friends is very important. Not just an Irish thing and does not necessarily mean lots of pints.



  • Registered Users Posts: 242 ✭✭berocca2016


    She was waxing hysterically about her kids having swine flu in 2009 and it being the government's fault too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,265 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Hi Goldengirl, what is misinformation in the post? Can you also show me where hospitals are ‘extremely busy’ with Covid 19? I see busy hospitals but not with Covid. Hospitalisations and ICU figures are not high relative to the population of Ireland, we’ve just a crap health service they think they can scream at us about for the Winter, not good enough,

    If you want to stick up for a poster who wanted children of the ‘unvaccinated’ excluded from school and now wants to discuss mandatory vaccination, which will also mean mandatory never ending boosters - off with you. I don’t have any time for someone who appears to be the wolf in sheep’s clothing pretending to justify their horrendous proposals with excuses like ‘it’s a pandemic and there’s no other choice’.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    The over reaction to these latest very light restrictions is ridiculous.

    Thankfully in the real world outside of the permanently outraged boards clique of posters people understand the seriousness of the situation and will react positively.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    We do not have debt cancelled. We do refinance existing debt and we take on new debt all of which needs to be serviced.

    On the cost of servicing debt, you are right that the NTMA are excellent but they can only be as good as the economic conditions they operate in. The EU, IMF, IFAC and the Department of Finance have expressed concerns about the sustainability of continued high level of borrowing, increased current spending and critically reliance on corporate tax revenues. We have had tail winds over the last 6/7 years with low interest rates, ECB government bond buying, quantitative easing, low inflation, record tax revenues and so forth and we know through history that these things will shift and already are doing so.

    The problem, in my opinion, is that a mindset has crept in that we can continue to shut down sectors of the economy and that there is a tap of money there to support this policy not to mention the long term implications of making our economy and society less connected. I also know the damage that out of control Covid can do but this mindset is and should be worrying.



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