Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

growleaves · 26-11-2021 5:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118227640#Comment_118227640

Are you on autopilot? I'm talking about reports in the newspapers of multiple players collapsing.

And I'm not 'Just Asking Questions' I'm saying that multiple athletes are collapsing on the field this year and the correlation with vaccination should be investigated to see if these are vaccine injuries.

If they aren't due to vaccine injuries then they must be due to something else and we should be finding out what it is because even casual followers of sports can see that something strange is happening.

growleaves · 26-11-2021 5:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118227689#Comment_118227689

Okay fair enough, and what about the Sheffield United and FC Sheriff players?

astrofool · 26-11-2021 5:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118228069#Comment_118228069

If you'd read any of the analysis, numbers are about the same as previous years (actually below average, with 2020 as an outlier because fewer games were played).

But anyhoo, must be the vaccines fault.

growleaves · 26-11-2021 5:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118228068#Comment_118228068

I already corrected myself that it was a player playing against Real.

So what if I quote from memory and make a small error? The point still stands.

I'm not prejudging it by saying it's definitely down to vaccine injuries. I'm not that biased. I do think it's a correlation that should be looked into.

growleaves · 26-11-2021 5:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118228086#Comment_118228086

Speaking "anecdotally" I don't recall several players collapsing mid-game from heart trouble in a single season before 2021.

I haven't read any analysis that's true.

Brussels Sprout · 26-11-2021 5:59pm

I do think it's a correlation that should be looked into.

Well this is why I was asking if any reputable body had already done this kind of work.

First off they'd need to determine if there actually are more players collapsing. Typically there are going to be a given number of these in any year and sometimes through sheer chance a lot of them might happen at the same time. The Lottery here hasn't been won in nearly 50 draws. The odds of that are extremely long but every so often weird things like that happen.

If they determined that there were more of these happening then usual they would then need to look in more detail at the individual cases:

Did any of the players have any previous history of collapsing?
What exactly happened to them during the incident (e.g. cardia arrest)?
Were they diagnosed with Covid-19 at any stage leading up to the incident?
Had they been vaccinated - if so when and what type?
Had the players been on any new medications or supplements recently?

That's the only way to get a real answer. Anything else is just conjecture - which doesn't help anyone. Certain bad actors will have no issue with that though and will use any information to push whatever their agenda is.

growleaves · 26-11-2021 6:08pm

That is a good response Brussels Sprout, I agree.

JoChervil · 26-11-2021 6:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118228069#Comment_118228069

Covid?

JoChervil · 26-11-2021 6:45pm

I remember reading an article last year, that few years ago in South Korea they did a huge research like 80,000 people cross checked and they noticed for example that after having shingles 40% people had a stroke or heart attack in the following 6 months. The threat was still increased up to one year. And shingles is a viral disease. So it might happen that after contracting Covid (even while asymptomatic), you might then got stroke or a heart attack in months following it.

astrofool · 26-11-2021 6:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118228184#Comment_118228184

There is about 10 cases per month on average, outcomes have been greatly improved since defibrillators were made widely available a good few years ago. There does seem to have been an effort to remove misinformation from the main search engines, the telegraph has a behind paywall article about it if you want more details.

In the Erikson case, he hadn't taken a vaccine but it's referred back to frequently.

Lumen · 27-11-2021 7:37am

Incidence vs vaccination rates in Germany.

Vaccines work.

degsie · 27-11-2021 1:32pm

Crazy scenes at Citywest this morning. Loads of people given booster appointments by mistake 😡. Mad stuff altogether!

d15ude · 27-11-2021 2:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118231788#Comment_118231788

Yes, after 2 hours of waiting I was send home without being vaccinated.

Apparently "a glitch in the system". Talked to a manager, asked her if they had enough dosed to accomodate everyone. She said yes, but would not give the booster, because they only give it to people over 60 at the moment "as by our guidelines".

pc7 · 27-11-2021 2:26pm

Absolute shambles, if they had enough they should have just done people

d15ude · 27-11-2021 2:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118231980#Comment_118231980

excactly, pure HSE bureaucracy

27-11-2021 6:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118227689#Comment_118227689

Facts don’t matter to some

blackcard · 27-11-2021 7:32pm

Do we have plenty of vaccines or is the rollout going to be restricted in any way by the supply?

Rket4000 · 27-11-2021 7:43pm

They said on the HSE briefing the other day that they have about 2m in stock and have actually paused delivery of any more. However they also said that they can recommence orders immediately when they need to. They're also getting specific lower dose vaccines for when they start vaccinating children rather than using less of the existing stock.

Qrt · 28-11-2021 1:39pm

can anybody report back from citywest today? What’s it like? Many queues?

hesitant family member said they were told they’d be waiting three hours after waiting two already…not sure if I can believe

Ozvaldo · 28-11-2021 1:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118227689#Comment_118227689

Nice pwn

JoChervil · 28-11-2021 2:34pm

Austrian antivaxxer (65) Johann Biacsics died of COVID after unsuccessful self treatment with chloride dioxide

iamwhoiam · 28-11-2021 2:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118235365#Comment_118235365

I was there yesterday . Once we got to half way down by the hedge in the car park we were told 3 hours

It was 2.5 hours from there

3 .5 hours from behind that hedge at the kiosk

We still had to go through two tents of 4 lines and then another 6 lines inside the building once we crossed the road from the car park .

In total I was there for 4 hours

Bit cynical · 28-11-2021 3:03pm

Are they still doing walk in jabs at pharmacy shops?

Apogee · 29-11-2021 1:29pm

Well over half of 60+/LTRC/HCW etc now boosted

salmocab · 30-11-2021 7:55pm

Haven’t kept up too much so forgive me if this has been discussed. I’m group 4 and got my vaccine through my GP, have they started doing group 4 boosters yet? If not is there any timelines out there?

cheers

razor8 · 30-11-2021 8:02pm

Hi

hoping to travel with family to France

both parents fully vaccinated

5 children under 12, none vaccinated

is it wise to get antigen test at the airport or should we get it done day before?

Kiith · 01-12-2021 4:27pm

Can someone (mid-30's) request the J&J vaccine? Someone i know is quite hesitant to get the Pfizer one, but could probably convince them to get the J&J.

Just not sure if its possible to specifically request it.

odyssey06 · 01-12-2021 4:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118252168#Comment_118252168

I don't think you can anymore, we were using J&J and you could sign up for it through chemists but stopped taking deliveries of that and AZ. Only taking new orders of mRNA vaccines at present.

We just sent hundreds of thousands of J&J doses to Nigeria under the COVAX scheme.

L1011 · 01-12-2021 4:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118252168#Comment_118252168

Its not available here anymore, and they would be called for a booster of Pfizer within months anyway even if they did get it.

MilkyToast · 01-12-2021 5:42pm

These stories about athletes dying always get more attention when there's a prominent case or there's interest that causes people to go looking. About 8 years ago a lad in England (whose name I've forgotten) died on the pitch, and then for a month or two you could have sworn that there was a sudden epidemic of it, because any footballer who collapsed during a game, from any game in any country, right down to small local friendly games, was reported by the media.

Fear sells, and for a while, "footballers collapsing all over the place" hit the right part of the old lizard brain for clicks. I suspect a similar thing is happening here in vaccine-hesitant and oldskool anti-vaxxer circles.

It's not that unusual for people to collapse in the middle of sports that put extreme pressure on the body and cause great cardiovascular stress.

While there is obviously a mechanism by which mRNA injections can affect the heart (see: myocarditis), and excess cardiac deaths have increased over the course of the pandemic, I don't think there's much evidence at the moment that there's many more collapses on the field than there would ordinarily be, overall. And there are confounding factors, like people spending a lot of time last year being more sedentary, eating worse food, suffering more cortisol-inducing stress, not wanting to bother doctors with minor chest pains, etc. The increase in cardiovascular deaths (at least in the UK, where I've seen data from) started before vaccinations were available.

Something to keep an eye on but it doesn't seem to warrant panic yet.

Apogee · 02-12-2021 2:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118219850#Comment_118219850

+212,643 boosters from Wed 24th Nov to Wed 1st Dec compared to +184,618 over previous week.

Apogee · 02-12-2021 3:57pm

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1466420314976444428?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1466420314976444428%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rte.ie%2Fnews%2F2021%2F1202%2F1264449-hse-nphet-covid%2F

About 85 per cent of the country’s 161,000 people aged in their 80s have been boosted, 74 per cent of the 336,000 people in their 70s and just 19 per cent of 470,000 people in their 60s.

Mr McCallion said that indicative dates showed that the HSE could receive deliveries of vaccines for first doses for five- to 11-year-olds in the third week in December and early January.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-numbers-stabilising-but-still-present-huge-risk-reid-1.4745280

timmyntc · 02-12-2021 4:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118252517#Comment_118252517

There actually are far more cases of athletes collapsing and dying this year compared to the previous few - statistics back this up, not selective reporting.

Whether its vaccine/covid related is unknown. But the phenomenon is very real.

Supercell · 02-12-2021 4:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118247476#Comment_118247476

I am group four and got my booster in a pharmacy today as I was nearly six months since the last and quite anxious, ironically my GP (who vaccinated me for the first two) texted me on the way back inviting me for the booster in two weeks time!

astrofool · 02-12-2021 5:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118257811#Comment_118257811

Are you talking about the study from the Israeli anti-vaxxer or has other evidence come to light?

02-12-2021 8:08pm

50% of people in ICU are unvaccinated. Imagine that.

Unfortunately there's probably a % of those that believed idiots and bots on social media.

mullinr2 · 03-12-2021 12:13pm

I just want to point out before I start. Both myself and my wife are vaccinated and will get the booster when offered. I personally believe that there is no point in getting kids u12 vaccinated. I have 3 kids u12. It has been proven that covid is a mild illness for this age cohort. If they get it, let their immune system deal with it and develop antibodies.

It has also been proven that the vaccine does not prevent transmission, so anyone posting that line of argument is going down the wrong rabbit hole. If a kid gets covid vaccinated or unvaccinated they will still bring it home.

I just think we are going down a very dangerous path. What if the government decide that everyone has to produce a vaccine cert to get into restaurants, play centres, sports clubs etc. Imagine if a cohort of kids are vaccinated and your child is not, and that the vaccinated group say to stay away from your kid because they are unvaccinated.

If the government bring in that rule I can envisage serious protests against it.

Real Donald Trump · 03-12-2021 12:18pm

Young healthy kids can still end up in hospital though, it is important that we keep them safe and protect the HSE

dulpit · 03-12-2021 12:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058221014/u12s-and-the-vaccine

Ah yes, a boards poster who knows more than the collective scientific community. I have yet to hear a valid concern as to why we wouldn't vaccinate under 12s, and have heard plenty of reasons why we should...

mullinr2 · 03-12-2021 12:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262501#Comment_118262501

Both myself and wife are vaccinated, so I do trust the science, however it is such a mild illness in children. Why vaccinate them? Let their immune system deal with it and develop antibodies. It won't reduce transmission rate

copeyhagen · 03-12-2021 12:25pm

just lock this one up. plz.

03-12-2021 12:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058221014/u12s-and-the-vaccine

As you can see from the first two replies. You're wasting your time.

Common sense based on what's actually happening in front of your eyes comes secondary to what the masses think. Still towing the information from Dec 2020.

Its like when i said to some collegaues on a night out recently that checking for the certs was a waste of time with over 90% done and no break in transmission and they thought an unvaccinated person was more of a risk than vaccinated. Information from months ago clearly dispelled but the sheep still spout it.

dubdaymo · 03-12-2021 12:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262501#Comment_118262501

Ah yes. The same scientific community who were 100% wrong on mask wearing, 100% wrong on the nursing homes, 100% wrong on antigen testing, 100% wrong on cancellation of track and trace and now 100% wrong again on hepa ventilation. Nolan and Holohan are no experts - just egomaniacs. They still leak their "proposals" to the media to ensure the Govt. have to follow their flawed "advice".

odyssey06 · 03-12-2021 1:52pm

The old fake arm ploy in epic fail in Italy...

https://www.thejournal.ie/fake-arm-italy-5619489-Dec2021/

spaceHopper · 03-12-2021 2:44pm

I'm not sure I get there are risks and I don't see the direct benefit to the child, lets say it's marginal.

But what if all the children got vaccinated and we all got boosters and government said ok we've done as much as we can so shows over get back to normal life the hospitals will be OK. Would you agree to it then?

Chips Lovell · 03-12-2021 3:28pm

As a relatively young adult my risk of hospitalisation and/or death from COVID is incredibly low. Not lower than a child but still tiny compared to an elderly person or someone with an underlying condition. That still didn't stop me getting a vaccine and it won't stop my kids.

cython · 03-12-2021 3:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262646#Comment_118262646

There is a much wider scientific community (internationally) than NPHET advocating for the vaccination of under-12s, including many of whom were markedly ahead of NPHET on several of your concerns (masks, ventilation, antigen testing), and who had nothing to do with others (nursing homes, cancellation of track and trace).

ELM327 · 03-12-2021 3:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262646#Comment_118262646

Nphet are a group of fools led by a moron. Out of touch with reality. Its gotten to the stage now that if they try to introduce any bans this year it will be roundly ignored.

That however does not change the science. Science that shows the efficacy of mask wearing, of distancing, of vaccination. And yes, that includes children. Lies from nphet that schools were safe, when the dogs on the street knew that rooms of children at schools were runny nosed petri dishes for the virus to grow and spread. Masks should always have been mandatory in schools.

Hotblack Desiato · 04-12-2021 12:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118257811#Comment_118257811

got stats to back that claim up?

Also what proportion of elite athletes are vaccinated? Plenty of anecdotal reports in relation to elite level footballers resisting vaccination.

Real Donald Trump · 04-12-2021 12:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118258916#Comment_118258916

Perhaps a good percentage of them can't get vaccinated for medical reasons

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