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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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    #27812
    Mango321
    Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭Mango321


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262447#Comment_118262447

    And so does the government.

    Despite that, it's been leaked by the government.



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    #27813
    Cork2021
    Registered Users Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262517#Comment_118262517

    Ill defend the government on this one!! It was 100% NPHET leaking last night! Heads rolled immediately journalist’s on it straight away!



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    #27814
    castletownman
    Registered Users Posts: 11,283 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    I have heard the pantos themselves havs adapted to the new restrictions too.

    'Look out. Omicron is behind you!!!!'



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    #27815
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262437#Comment_118262437

    I went to a rescheduled Jimeoin gig in Vicar st at the start of October when there were still restrictions. Poor f@cker had to do 2 gigs in the one night to allow all ticket holders to attend.



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    #27816
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 18,438 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    NPHET leaking information? Who could possibly have predicted that!!!

    For **** sake this isn't some new development, open a thread from 2020 and you will see the exact same thing, it is the NPHET playbook. Anybody angry about leaks in December 2021 is either very stupid or being very disingenuous.



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    #27817
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users Posts: 2,885 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262137#Comment_118262137

    And the permanently frightened will always look for more restrictions, and unfortunately it looks like we have to live with that too



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    #27818
    Mango321
    Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭Mango321


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262558#Comment_118262558

    Bless you.


    NPHET has no interest in leaking. The people on it aren't paid for their work. They have day jobs.

    Political parties, however, have a large interest in controlling the narrative.


    P.S. That 'journalists were on it straight away' might give you a clue.



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    #27819
    Be right back
    Registered Users Posts: 6,153 ✭✭✭Be right back


    The sooner NEPHET is disbanded or paid no attention to, the better. Surely Leo, as a doctor could make informed decisions.



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    #27820
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262366#Comment_118262366

    Maybe he's not up to date on breakthrough infections. But he even says future cases are likely. Even in the original trials vs the wild strain, no vaccine was 100% effective vs infection, data from Israel show after a booster, it's still not 100% effective. So before people get their knickers in a twist, yes there will be breakthrough infections despite boosters. And having ~4k cases a day, yes we will see them.

    Also worth pointing out, as I see people mention dose 4 etc... The UK are already going with a 4th dose for immunosuppressed people (the 4th dose will be their booster) The same will be offered here no doubt.



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    #27821
    mollser
    Registered Users Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭mollser


    Mostly the journalists in rte, where Glynns wife works? Hmm



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    #27822
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262611#Comment_118262611

    This one has Varadkar's finger prints all over it.



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    #27823
    Cork2021
    Registered Users Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262611#Comment_118262611

    You think the government leaked a letter they hadn’t seen yet? It’s happened before and NPHET have leaked plenty of details. They are but in name a political entity now! All about power at this stage.



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    #27824
    Mango321
    Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭Mango321


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262632#Comment_118262632


    No it didn't happen before.

    Leo Varadkar leaked the October 2020 letter as well.



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    #27825
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262611#Comment_118262611

    LOL. They have leaked after every meeting. Chambers book even talks about a known leak. They have every interest in leaking, it forces the issue on government.



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    #27826
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users Posts: 7,205 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    https://twitter.com/covid19dataie/status/1466749819821637633?s=21

    Positivity rate going back up.



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    #27827
    Ah_well.
    Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭Ah_well.


    Sage are put back in their box in England. In Ireland Nephet rule the roost and if the government dare push back the media hound them mercilessly which feeds down into the general population. Nephet need to be pushed back against. Won't happen though



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    #27828
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Honestly at this stage if they were looking for something to do which would drive down case numbers without making everyone say, "**** off", they would announce that schools will close for the Xmas break next Friday. That gives two weeks for the infection to burn out of school kids and their parents.

    But with DeGascun's clanger last night that he's "hopeful" schools will open in January, such a move would definitely have people believing that schools won't reopen in January.

    Which is still a possibility. But at this stage, ask everyone to try and keep their social contacts low or outside, and close the schools two weeks early. Doesn't seem like there are any other options available that people are going to accept.



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    #27829
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    Any chance of someone in government growing a pair of telling Tony and Phil where to stick their letter and modelling?

    The situation in Ireland does not warrant any further restrictions. This is a panicked reaction to other countries in Europe increasing restrictions. Funny enough when other countries lift restrictions, this shower smugly tell us we don’t follow other countries.



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    #27830
    Mango321
    Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭Mango321


    I think Tony Holohan et al. would be more than happy to slip back into obscurity.

    They're not trying to get film deals.


    P.S. Doesn't apply to the likes of Luke O'Neill.



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    #27831
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262681#Comment_118262681

    I hope that that is what they are going to do today. And the reason for the emergency meeting is to make sure that the papers dont run with the NPHET narrative over the weekend



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    #27832
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262682#Comment_118262682

    The same Tony Holohan that’s been traipsing around TV and radio studios while telling the rest of us to work from home? The Tony Holohan who immediately runs to the media when there’s the slightest hint government might go against his instructions? I’m sure he’s desperate to get out of the limelight all right.



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    #27833
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118261946#Comment_118261946

    Ah thanks Wibbles. As you know she has dementia so it's her time now to go.

    Like you I will be continuing on with things as normal as possible. If hospitality is restricted there isn't anything I can do about that but feck this 'three person household' business and 'limiting our contacts'.



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    #27834
    bennyl10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262681#Comment_118262681

    4000 cases a day is not sustainable.

    If the new variant is more transmissible then it would be almost negligent to not act. We saw last christmas what can happen if we aren't proactive and things get out of hand.

    Is it not better to potentially over-react now for 3 weeks(or so) and not reach that level again? Than not act and end up in an even bigger hole



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    #27835
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭brickster69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262468#Comment_118262468

    I would say that is the main reason people took a vaccine, well it was for me anyway. I did not care too much about catching it, i was a bit more concerned about ending up in ICU or dying of it.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #27836
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,199 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262709#Comment_118262709

    And still the obsession with "de case numbers" persists. We've had c.4k cases each day for over 2 weeks yet in that time hospital cases are down 25% and ICU is down also. No we don't care about - we only case about the daily case numbers and to hell with everything else.



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    #27837
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262709#Comment_118262709

    But 4000 cases a day, every day, is simply impossible. As more people get infected, community immunity builds. If you look at the vast numbers of kids getting infected at the moment, it is absolutely inevitable that will peak and start falling very soon.



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    #27838
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118261237#Comment_118261237

    Not one source but certainly a theme of economic headwinds.

    https://www.imf.org/-/media/Files/Publications/CR/2021/English/1IRLEA2021001.ashx - risk assessment in particular.

    https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/11/30/inflation-euro-zone-november-2021.html


    https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/china-advisers-recommend-lower-2022-gdp-target-headwinds-grow-sources-2021-12-02/


    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/09/business/the-fed-warns-that-chinas-property-market-stress-poses-a-risk-to-the-us.amp.html?referringSource=articleShare


    https://www.politico.eu/article/dark-economic-clouds-leave-brussels-jittery-over-recovery/amp/




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    #27839
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    @bennyl10 wrote:

    4000 cases a day is not sustainable.

    Well, hospital numbers are dropping and nearly everything is open. So clearly 4000 cases a day is sustainable.

    What makes you think they aren't?



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    #27840
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262493#Comment_118262493

    The most recent models that NPHET produced were so far off the mark, that it casts a reasonable doubt on any new modelling they come out with.

    Modelling is adored by corporate world middle managers. So I'm not shocked a bunch of middle management and academic types in NPHET are flicking their collective bean to the models. Loads of fancy powerpoint slides with arcane maths and funky looking graphs that they can ooh and ahh over projections in endless meetings and claim is how the future will go. It's got all sorts of problems and lies somewhere between may turn out this way and a shell game by modellers who await their cheques, especially in something like a pandemic of a newish pathogen in a different world than existed even a generation ago. While it can look impressive, so can a slick tarot card reader and is about as useful IMHO.

    And reality has borne this out. Look at the earliest threads of this pox hereabouts. Of course the very earliest are quite naturally in panic mode with all sorts of horrific projections, but a few months in a few things were becoming pretty clear to anyone who could read and count on their fingers who wasn't having an anxiety attack. IE death rates were much lower than feared. It almost entirely affected in the worst way the very old, the already chronically sick, or the fantastically unlucky and the risk to the under 20's, even the under 40's was minsicule. That spread by droplets was a thing, it wasn't fully airborne and surfaces(remember fomites? For the jargan absorbers. They're stuck with repeating "cohort" ad nauseum nowadays) were less in play than first thought and asymptomatic spread was an issue. All that was known within a few months of this pandemic, but wider panic was still very much in play.

    What do we know today? Vaccination works. Antibodies may go down over time and infections can go up, but in the vast majority those infections are mild to asymptomatic because of much longer lasting immune memory. By a large factor when looking at populations those in hospital and ICUs are overrepresented by the non vaccinated and the vaccinated and very ill are more likely to again be the very old or already very sick or the fantastically unlucky. This is also currently holding true for Omricon. Full lockdowns "flatten the curve"(remember that?) work, but are not sustainable economically or psychologically for long. Ditto for doing a New Zealand and closing up entirely(and they had the perfect conditions to do so. We don't).

    What doesn't work? Half arsed and contradictory restrictions the likes of which NPHET are pushing in the face of stable serious case numbers and a majority of the population vaccinated. They would have had good reasons this time last year to push restrictions, but didn't and fúcked up and not for the first time, so they're applying what they should have done last year to a very different environment this year.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #27841
    the kelt
    Registered Users Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262611#Comment_118262611

    One of the main NPHET advisors is married to an RTE journalist!!

    Of course they have an interest in control, they have done since the start, leak the info last night knowing that the next cabinet meeting was due to be next week, weekend of numbers going up as is normal, weekend of media pushing this narrative of government not acting equals more pressure.

    Probably surprised NPHET they called a cabinet meeting today.

    A blanket ban on NPHET adressing the media apart from detailing already agreed measures would be a good start today



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