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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭Mango321



    No it didn't happen before.

    Leo Varadkar leaked the October 2020 letter as well.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    LOL. They have leaked after every meeting. Chambers book even talks about a known leak. They have every interest in leaking, it forces the issue on government.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,205 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood




  • Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭Ah_well.


    Sage are put back in their box in England. In Ireland Nephet rule the roost and if the government dare push back the media hound them mercilessly which feeds down into the general population. Nephet need to be pushed back against. Won't happen though



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Honestly at this stage if they were looking for something to do which would drive down case numbers without making everyone say, "**** off", they would announce that schools will close for the Xmas break next Friday. That gives two weeks for the infection to burn out of school kids and their parents.

    But with DeGascun's clanger last night that he's "hopeful" schools will open in January, such a move would definitely have people believing that schools won't reopen in January.

    Which is still a possibility. But at this stage, ask everyone to try and keep their social contacts low or outside, and close the schools two weeks early. Doesn't seem like there are any other options available that people are going to accept.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,643 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    Any chance of someone in government growing a pair of telling Tony and Phil where to stick their letter and modelling?

    The situation in Ireland does not warrant any further restrictions. This is a panicked reaction to other countries in Europe increasing restrictions. Funny enough when other countries lift restrictions, this shower smugly tell us we don’t follow other countries.



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭Mango321


    I think Tony Holohan et al. would be more than happy to slip back into obscurity.

    They're not trying to get film deals.


    P.S. Doesn't apply to the likes of Luke O'Neill.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I hope that that is what they are going to do today. And the reason for the emergency meeting is to make sure that the papers dont run with the NPHET narrative over the weekend



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,643 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    The same Tony Holohan that’s been traipsing around TV and radio studios while telling the rest of us to work from home? The Tony Holohan who immediately runs to the media when there’s the slightest hint government might go against his instructions? I’m sure he’s desperate to get out of the limelight all right.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ah thanks Wibbles. As you know she has dementia so it's her time now to go.

    Like you I will be continuing on with things as normal as possible. If hospitality is restricted there isn't anything I can do about that but feck this 'three person household' business and 'limiting our contacts'.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    4000 cases a day is not sustainable.

    If the new variant is more transmissible then it would be almost negligent to not act. We saw last christmas what can happen if we aren't proactive and things get out of hand.

    Is it not better to potentially over-react now for 3 weeks(or so) and not reach that level again? Than not act and end up in an even bigger hole



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭brickster69


    I would say that is the main reason people took a vaccine, well it was for me anyway. I did not care too much about catching it, i was a bit more concerned about ending up in ICU or dying of it.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    And still the obsession with "de case numbers" persists. We've had c.4k cases each day for over 2 weeks yet in that time hospital cases are down 25% and ICU is down also. No we don't care about - we only case about the daily case numbers and to hell with everything else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    But 4000 cases a day, every day, is simply impossible. As more people get infected, community immunity builds. If you look at the vast numbers of kids getting infected at the moment, it is absolutely inevitable that will peak and start falling very soon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    @bennyl10 wrote:

    4000 cases a day is not sustainable.

    Well, hospital numbers are dropping and nearly everything is open. So clearly 4000 cases a day is sustainable.

    What makes you think they aren't?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The most recent models that NPHET produced were so far off the mark, that it casts a reasonable doubt on any new modelling they come out with.

    Modelling is adored by corporate world middle managers. So I'm not shocked a bunch of middle management and academic types in NPHET are flicking their collective bean to the models. Loads of fancy powerpoint slides with arcane maths and funky looking graphs that they can ooh and ahh over projections in endless meetings and claim is how the future will go. It's got all sorts of problems and lies somewhere between may turn out this way and a shell game by modellers who await their cheques, especially in something like a pandemic of a newish pathogen in a different world than existed even a generation ago. While it can look impressive, so can a slick tarot card reader and is about as useful IMHO.

    And reality has borne this out. Look at the earliest threads of this pox hereabouts. Of course the very earliest are quite naturally in panic mode with all sorts of horrific projections, but a few months in a few things were becoming pretty clear to anyone who could read and count on their fingers who wasn't having an anxiety attack. IE death rates were much lower than feared. It almost entirely affected in the worst way the very old, the already chronically sick, or the fantastically unlucky and the risk to the under 20's, even the under 40's was minsicule. That spread by droplets was a thing, it wasn't fully airborne and surfaces(remember fomites? For the jargan absorbers. They're stuck with repeating "cohort" ad nauseum nowadays) were less in play than first thought and asymptomatic spread was an issue. All that was known within a few months of this pandemic, but wider panic was still very much in play.

    What do we know today? Vaccination works. Antibodies may go down over time and infections can go up, but in the vast majority those infections are mild to asymptomatic because of much longer lasting immune memory. By a large factor when looking at populations those in hospital and ICUs are overrepresented by the non vaccinated and the vaccinated and very ill are more likely to again be the very old or already very sick or the fantastically unlucky. This is also currently holding true for Omricon. Full lockdowns "flatten the curve"(remember that?) work, but are not sustainable economically or psychologically for long. Ditto for doing a New Zealand and closing up entirely(and they had the perfect conditions to do so. We don't).

    What doesn't work? Half arsed and contradictory restrictions the likes of which NPHET are pushing in the face of stable serious case numbers and a majority of the population vaccinated. They would have had good reasons this time last year to push restrictions, but didn't and fúcked up and not for the first time, so they're applying what they should have done last year to a very different environment this year.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    One of the main NPHET advisors is married to an RTE journalist!!

    Of course they have an interest in control, they have done since the start, leak the info last night knowing that the next cabinet meeting was due to be next week, weekend of numbers going up as is normal, weekend of media pushing this narrative of government not acting equals more pressure.

    Probably surprised NPHET they called a cabinet meeting today.

    A blanket ban on NPHET adressing the media apart from detailing already agreed measures would be a good start today



  • Registered Users Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    Cant argue with NPHET’s latest recommendations, swift action is required from government now to enforce such measures so can avoid full scale lockdown.

    Again, people need to accept that this virus is going to be with us for some time to come. We need to manage our own expectations, not get emotional when things don’t go our way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    and if the new variant is capable of reinfection?



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    ICU down to 110.

    Close those nightclubs quick.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    So what if it is? Going to cause very little issues for the vast majority of the population. I'd be seriously concerned about the cases of cancer and other serious illness we are missing at this point. All about money. The people with private health care will be ok. If you don't have it then you will suffer. No better than America in that regard.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    The same people groaning about any light restrictions now would be the same ones groaning when the government have to be even more draconian in January when case numbers are three times what they are now if we do nothing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Why are you talking about full lockdowns? People are losing their minds here salivating for more restrictions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    If the new variant takes off here and has significant immune escape, then all bets are off and we are back to closing stuff. But that's another day's work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    ICU numbers down to 110, a drop of 7.

    I've definitely been off the mark a number of times on this, but this could actually be one of those key moments.

    "Everything is starting to get better, but not fast enough so we're going to hit hospitality again and start tutting at people socialising". People won't take it.

    Nobody wants a January election, and whoever takes the blame for introducing new restrictions would be destroyed in an election. So I'm hoping this is one of the few times that politicians' inability to see past the next election actually plays in our favour.



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭Mango321



    He's not getting paid for 'traipsing' on TV.

    He does it to get the message past the client journalists we're unfortunately dominated by in this county.



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  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What do you think is going to happen when inflation continues to rise and the economy collapses?



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