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The ole chestnut re reg plates

  • 02-11-2021 11:49am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10


    89 D 120@@@ or go for a ZV? I think the ZVs are telephone numbers now. For a s class



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭MrCostington


    To help you make up your mind, I believe you can initially register it as a ZV and change to the county format later, but not the other way round (I'm 80% sure It's this way and not the opposite - can someone confirm?).

    I'm on a ZV and lucky to have just 5 digits, so would not change, but as you note it's pretty 50/50 now.

    One thing with the ZV, you might get the odd person who wants to ask about the car so it gives them the opening question of "what year is it" (if you like taking about it, I do).

    Good luck with the 126!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,140 ✭✭✭gipi


    You can register as a year/county plate and change to ZV, but not the other way round.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,318 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    Or have it registered to an address outside of Dublin where the number ranges are much lower for the year/county plate perhaps? You could get 89G15000 or something more reasonable elsewhere if you have relatives outside of Dublin.

    Just a thought and not sure if this is an option/desired outcome for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 duskyjoe2


    Many thanks for your comments … it’s a chestnut alright !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    I went with the 89 D format recently - its the correct format for anything post 87. If it was 86 or earlier I might consider the ZV option, although its unlikely. It will be registered as 89 D 108XXX I'd imagine going by my reg.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭w124man


    ZV plates are the spawn of the devil on cars after 87!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,318 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    It'll be registered as something higher than 89 D 120000 as that is the range they are working with since about 2011.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    Yeah you're right, don't even know my own reg - its 89D120XXX alright



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    D is 120001 or more, C is 40001 or more, next after that are probable MH and KE, I think MH is the same, but KE is deffo 16001+

    Lowest is LM at 3001+

    Gipi is correct. You can change a county reg for a ZV but not the other way round.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭MrCostington


    Thanks both for the correction! Glad now I said I was ONLY 80% sure :)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I'd go ZV all day long.

    Least worst option.

    Having said that I wish they would wake up and allow old reg's to be sold and traded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭w124man


    Get someone to register it in Wicklow or Wexford and then do a 'sale' to yourself. The next 89 WX is 11044, the next 89 WW is 11038. Nothing wrong with those numbers




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 duskyjoe2


    100% I’d sooner take the above wx reg number than a 89 D120@@@. Anyway I’m lumped with the D reg so will I go ZV is my quandary . 1st world probs . Getting the w126 next week. It’ll be my 2nd 126 after a 21 year gap. I just always loved their stance and comfort. This one is ex Japan so no rust . I could put Japanese themed reg plates on as done by the boys whom make them up in Rutland place :) . Thanks for all the inputs lads . I appreciate your thoughts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭w124man


    You buying from John Mohan?

    Remember any number plate on a vehicle first registered after Jan 1st 1987 to 31/12/1990 has to be black letters on white reflective background. That includes those horrible ZV plates but not ZZ plates. There is a section that says that the regulations on vehicles first registered on 01/01/1991 and onwards does not apply to ZV and ZZ plates. None of this applies to Defense Force vehicles.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭w124man



    S.I. No. 385/1992 - Road Vehicles Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) (Amendment) Regulations, 1992.

    Article 25

    Part II

    Form of Identification Marks


    Provisions to be complied with in respect of vehicles first registered on or after the 1st day of January, 1987 but not later than the 31st day of December, 1990:

    1. ( a ) Where the identification mark contains a single letter index mark it shall, at the option of the owner, be arranged in conformity with either Diagram No. 5 or Diagram No. 6 shown above.

    b ) Where the identification mark contains a two letter index mark it shall, at the option of the owner, be arranged in conformity with either Diagram No. 7 of Diagram No. 8 above.

    2. The identification mark may be exhibited on a metal or plastic plate or in the case of a large public service vehicle, it may be illuminated by translucence or transparency.

    3. Where an identification mark is exhibited on a metal plate, the surface shall be constructed of white reflex reflective material and the identification mark shall be formed of black letters and figures which shall be embossed by being raised above the surface of the reflex reflective material and form part of the plate.

    4. (1) Subject to sub-paragraphs (2) and (3) of this paragraph, where the identification mark is exhibited on a plastic plate the identification mark shall be exhibited on white reflex reflective material which shall be affixed with an adhesive substance to the rear of the plate and be so affixed that it cannot be readily detached therefrom.

    (2) The identification mark exhibited on a plastic plate in accordance with sub-paragraph (1) of this paragraph, shall be so exhibited that it can be clearly read from the front of the mark as black letters and figures on a white reflex reflective material.

    (3) A plastic plate shall be constructed of transparent material of at least 2.5 millimetres in thickness.

    (4) In the case of a large public service vehicle, where the identification mark is so constructed and used that it is illuminated by transparency or translucency the letters and figures shall, when so illuminated during lighting-up hours appear, in the case of the front identification mark, white, and in the case of the rear identification mark, white. At all other times the letters and figures shall appear white against a black background.

    5. Subject to the provisions of paragraph 9 of this Part of this Schedule, all letters and figures of an identification mark shall be at least 81 millimetres high and be of uniform height; every part of every letter and figure shall be at least 12 millimetres broad and the total width of the space taken by every letter or figure, except in the case of the letter "I" or the figure "1", shall be at least 48 millimetres.

    6. Subject to the provisions of paragraph 9 of this Part of this Schedule, in an identification mark there shall be a margin between the nearest part of any letter or figure and the top or bottom of the surface of white reflex reflective material upon which the identification mark appears, of at least 8 millimetres and between the nearest part of any letter or figure and the sides of the surface of white reflex reflecting material, of at least 8 millimetres.

    7. Subject to the provisions of paragraph 9 of this Part of this Schedule, in an identification plate:

    a ) the space between the nearest parts of adjoining figures shall be uniform and be at least 8 millimetres;

    b ) the space between the nearest parts of adjoining letters shall be equal to the space between adjoining figures;

    c ) the space between the index mark and adjoining figures shall be three times the space between the nearest part of adjoining figures,

    8. Subject to the provisions of paragraph 9 of this Part of this Schedule, where the identification mark is arranged in accordance with Diagram No. 5 or Diagram No, 7 shown above, the space between the upper and lower line shall be at least 13 millimetres.

    9. In the case of a bicycle, an invalid carriage or a pedestrian controlled vehicle, the dimensions prescribed in paragraphs 5, 6, 7 and 8 of this Part of this Schedule may be halved and the plate or surface bearing the identification mark need not be rectangular, provided that the letters and figures thereon comply as nearly as possible with the arrangement shown in whichever diagram of this Schedule is appropriate.

    10. The provisions of this Part of this Schedule shall be deemed to be complied with if the identification mark exhibited on the vehicle complies with the provisions of Part III of this Schedule.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    Re-read the regs. If vehicle has a ZV index mark, all it has to do is comply with provision of Part 1 of Article 24, which are those provisions relating to pre-1987 vehicles

    24. The provisions of this Part and Part II of this Schedule shall be deemed to be complied with in relation to an identification mark which incorporates the index mark ZV if the identification mark exhibited on the vehicle complies with the provisions of Part 1 of this Schedule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭w124man




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    I have


    Remember any number plate on a vehicle first registered after Jan 1st 1987 to 31/12/1990 has to be black letters on white reflective background. That includes those horrible ZV plates but not ZZ plates. 

    If a vehicle first registered after Jan 1st 1987 to 31/12/1990 is issued with a ZV plate it doesn't need to be black letters on a white reflective background.

    So it doesn't include "those horrible ZV plates"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Just by the way I don't think ZV plates are horrible.

    I'd much prefer them to the year plates with an over long number.

    As I said in another post we really should be able to get year appropriate numbers from the old pre 87 series.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭w124man


    It clearly states that plates on vehicles first registered after 01/01/87 need to have black letters on white reflective background. It clearly does not state that this rule excludes ZV plates. Please show me where this updated statute excludes ZV plates



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭_ptashek_


    Honestly, when was the last time you've seen anyone enforcing license plate format in this country? Gardai don't care, neither do NCT testers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭_ptashek_


    Year plate, any time for me. I like the look.

    Got an 88D120xxx and a 93MH15xxx in my stable, plus a four-digit ZV. The ZV only looks good as it's short.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    I quoted the part in post #17.


    For clarity:

    Third Schedule, Part I - applies to pre-1987 plates - note subsection 10 also allows a "part III" type plate to be fitted.

    Third Schedule [which you quote], Part II - applies to 1987-1990 plates - again there is a subsection 10 which also allows a "part III" type plate to be fitted.

    Third Schedule, Part III - applies to 1991-on plates - subsection 24: "The provisions of this Part [III] and Part II [87-90 part] of this Schedule shall be deemed to be complied with in relation to an identification mark which incorporates the index mark ZV if the identification mark exhibited on the vehicle complies with the provisions of Part 1 of this Schedule.

    Now obviously when they signed off S.I. No. 385/1992, I don't believe they gave much thought ahead to 1987-on cars being issued with ZV indexes. But they have specifically granted any vehicle incorporating the index mark ZV an exemption to parts II & III if it complies with part I.


    Unless of course there is any other update to the regs since then that supports your view?


    [Opinion: I don't think they should have issued ZV index marks for anything after 1986. Would have saved having this discussion anyway. 🤣]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭w124man


    The one and only time my 300SE failed its NCT was over the plates. Sorted in 20 minutes but the NCT do check these things - occasionally. As for the Guards, they pulled my young lad and two of his buddies in Kilmacanogue, all sporting full German plates. I have a suspicion they were acting the 8ollox but I'll never know!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭w124man


    I don't think they should issue ZV for '87 onwards either but statutes are very specific. I agree that when they wrote these things they probably didnt envisage ZV on '87 onwards. Anyway, anyone who puts ZV plates on an '87 onwards wouldn't be the sort of person who cares if the format is right or not. Its lack of attention to detail in my book!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    What do you think is wrong with the owner of a post 86 vintage car 86 availing of the choice offered and choosing a ZV plate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭w124man


    I simply don't see the point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The ZV series was originally introduced in 1992 following lobbying by the classic car community with IVVCC taking the lead.

    It gives classic car owners a choice of which format they prefer for a classic car being registered for the first time in Ireland.

    The reduced motor tax for classics is based on a rolling 30 year system and the same applies to ZV registrations.

    The reasons owners might opt for a ZV include -

    1- They might not like the county being on the plate.

    2- They might not like the year being on the plate.

    3- They might just not like the look of year format plates.

    So to sum up it's a choice classic car owners have and it's up to each owner to decide for themselves.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    I think it looks out of period (for a '87 to '90) vehicle.

    It's a lame compromise. Age-related plates would have been another way to deal with things (like in GB). No further new format on pre-1987, conversion possible to already issued county plates and no old format on post-1986 vehicles.

    Choice? There's only Hobson's choice now. Either of a ZV that doesn't fit the plate spec or a telephone number length county plate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I don't agree that it looks out of place.

    The plate is part of the package for a vintage with the rolling 30 year system, you get the €56 tax, 2 year NCT and choice of plate.

    Agree with your other points and I covered them in earlier posts except I wouldn't restrict to pre 87.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    I remember buying my first bike in September 1986. I ride it on "For Reg" until Jan 1987 as I wanted to get 80-G-1. I missed it by 1 number, and got 80-G-2.

    So, to my eyes, anything registered post Jan 1 1987 looks more 'age appropriate' using the year indicating plate. Anything else just jars with me tbh.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,318 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    87-G-1 was probably reserved for the Mayor of Galway 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,610 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    Can you use the mistake in the address trick, that you later change when taxing the car?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I have an early year plate myself and it is Year-County-Number1 which I think looks good but I don't like the Year-County-Telephone number plates being issued now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 w116


    hi

    i have consulted this thread a few times re number plates on a classic, any way i failed my NCT 2 weeks ago and one of the fails was the number plate. The tester said the font was too thin, it is a 1984 car and the number plate had no county name in irish or dashes but there was no comment on those.

    In for a retest today and he wanted to fail me again just on the number pates, I had changed the plates to standard font but again no county or dashes, he said I had to have Galaimh on the plate.

    I said that I thought, as it is a pre 1984 car it didnt need it, he went of to consult and when he came back he shredded the fail sheet and gave me a nice new 2 year NCT, but he did say he was letting me off as it is required if you opt for county plates but not ZV plates.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    A tester trying that one on with me will get the RTFM talk.

    I've only had one run-in so far over top suspension mounts on a Honda Jazz - they are conical like a Ford Ka - therefore when the weight of the vehicle is off them, they drop down and have loads of play. They are supposed to be like that.

    After taking the car away and double checking, I was back in the afternoon putting in a complaint and after phone calls it was and retested by another tester at the same centre and passed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 duskyjoe2


    Great thread chat - glad I started it . Good insight. I’m going to keep the 89D120xxx and just live with it . Going to ZV is satins curse post 87.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    Yeah I think you've made the right choice. Think you can get lucky - my brother has a 6 digit number on a new car, but has a few 1's in there which actually makes it look shorter. Would have preferred a shorter number myself, but happy enough with how they turned out.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    I see Richard Hammond has opted to keep the ZV plates on his escort . ( 3: 52 if you can't be bothered watching the whole video)





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    I'd imagine its more the case that he just hasn't registered it - he won't be able to keep those plates on it in the UK



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    Theres a bit more on it here - https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/news-articles/richard-hammond-and-the-smallest-cogs-first-project-a-restored-ford-escort-rs2000-could-be-yours/

    "The RS2000 was originally supplied to the UK, but then spent some time in the Isle of Man before forming part of a collection in the Republic of Ireland. The car is on a Notification of Vehicle Arrivals (NOVA) and awaiting registration in the UK."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,610 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    Coincidentally the Bentley Drophead they're going to restore is also on a ZV plate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    Article mentioned the Escort came from a large collection - so potentially they grabbed a few cars



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,610 ✭✭✭CoBo55




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,227 ✭✭✭Thinkingaboutit


    My ZV was four digits, which is fine. The original UK plates (in the boot had three digits). I've a 75 motor with a 75 D plate and a catchy number. Whatever floats the proverbial boat. Import plates a little while back had many, many zeros, allegedly an error, but maybe a hidden boost for our 'motor industry (I aim this at official dealers who make up things to pad out bills, not independent mechanics and repairers who do their best).'



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 724 CMod ✭✭✭✭LIGHTNING


    I have a new japanese classic that I am registering on Tuesday, I am not sure what to do with the choice. Its a 1985 so I am thinking of going with ZV plates primarily because the car is white and I think the black ZV plates will look nice. However I will be getting the square Jap style which may look odd with ZV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭ba_barabus


    Funnily enough, car dependant, I'd go with year plates. Looks well on a lot of cars and makes it looks like a period grey market import which tells it's own story.


    You can always switch to ZV too if you want.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 724 CMod ✭✭✭✭LIGHTNING


    Yeah I agree, well in the end today I went with ZV as the number was reasonably low and I did a mock-up and I think it will look OK.



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