The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

My biggest fear from SF would be that they would start chipping away at our democracy.

They are fans of Castro after all.

And look at their own internal elections, none of Mary Lou or Michelle O'Neill actually were elected as party leader, they were both nominated and ratified.

And there was never a heave against Adams regardless of how much baggage he had.

Other party leaders would not have survived what he survived.

So I'd be very cautious of any moves they might make when it comes to elections, courts, the constitution etc.

That being said the same concerns surrounded FF when they came in from the cold in the 1930s and thankful they were unfounded.

It's opinions like this that will get SF into government.

But whether the poster quoted will be happy with a few years of SFs performance in government is another thing.

An organised crime gang in government ?

no thanks

I don’t think they are a party for the average working man, seem to lean very towards the “free **** for everyone” mindset and seem to be a wet dream for the layabouts who have never worked and have no intention of working. It’s an absolute no from me on those grounds alone.

I will definitely be voting for SF in the next election. I actually had this discussion with my intake of trainee solicitors recently and there were maybe 2/40 who would vote for a candidate from one of coalition parties in the next election.

The majority of us come from fairly affluent backgrounds and we are likely have six figure salaries once we qualify + have a few years of experience under our belts. The risk of not being able to afford a nice home for a reasonable price far outweighs any reservations about SF's past.

I'd love to watch them crash and burn in Government, but the Country can't afford that blip, not in the current instability anyway.

The election is not until Feb 2025 (and don't listen to anyone who says this Govt won't last, the parties have no choice but to make it last, at any cost). By then, the economy will be roaring and hopefully some of the structural issues will have begun to improve. There's no reason for anyone to risk that, but those that will risk it certainly won't add up to 60 seats. Maybe 45 on a good day.

What is forgotten in these regular opinion polls, is the seat bonus phenomenon. SF can barely string together enough candidates that can speak english and breathe unprompted for one per constituency, let alone two.

39 constituencies, 61 seats? Not in a million years. Even for my projection of 45, they'd have to bonus outside of their heartland working class sink estates and ghettos and I just don't see that. Add to that, they haven't a prayer of even one seat in 15-20 constituencies, so the conversion of popularity to seats is even more difficult.

Are they that bad? We probably won't find out in my lifetime.

But how are SF going to make housing affordable ?

I'm no property expert but I do know quite a bit about tax. If SF can introduce a punitive vacant property tax and an effective derelict houses tax, as proposed by EO'B, that would be a fantastic start. FG will do everything in their power to deter such measures.

Marylou has spent the last week travelling around the States meeting with Trump Supporters and charging them 1000 dollars for a few spuds and a Toicfaidh At La.

Their talk about spending increases and tax cuts resemble the final few budgets of the Bertie Era.

Then there's their policies. 100% social housing on state owned land while raising taxes on those who are successful to fund it.

They want to bring in 100s of hospital consultants while raising taxes on those on over 100K a year.

Then there is SFUK branch raising rents on social housing during the pandemic, privatising alot of the social stock up north. Screaming in the Dail about welfare cuts but then voting to send welfare decisions back to Westminster.

Then the best of all could you imagine Pauline Tully as minister for justice after marrying and campaigning for the release of a fella in prison for murdering a cop... Dessie Ellis as Minister for Defence ?

Yawn one who ran up a bill with the housing charity in charge of housing ?

Could we see a Taoiseach attending commerations for those who tried to overthrow the state ?

They’ll be as far and away from supporting workers as you’ll get.

something and someone will have to pay for their increased handouts and freebies to their mates, layabouts, criminals as well as a massively increased influx of numbers from outside the state ...

Law and order ? The place could become an absolute desolate violent hellhole. Every violent ne'er-do-well will be of the opinion the shinners have their back, they probably will... Sinn Fein in its 51/52 year history has gone to outstandingly outlandish lengths to aid and support violence, the subversion of democracy, law and order and the safety and wellbeing of citizens of this state and indeed others...

so on those basis, they won’t be seeing a vote from me..a leopard does not change its spots... and Mary Lou’s loyalty goes no further then her own supporters she isn’t in this for our wellbeing. She is not a team player.

if they get in, what happens at the next general election ? Will their be an attempt to subvert democracy as is their style.... will they undermine, threaten the electoral commission....in order to remain in power ? It’s possible..they’ve enabled and supported Garda killers... so all of a sudden they’ll be backing them ? Don’t think so.

its not that difficult to grasp.... they have launched attacks on this state, it’s citizens and our representatives before via their terrorist proxy..... they get in, it might be impossible to get them out...democratically.

So as imperfect the current situation... we exist in a society that for the most part values and enables freedom, democracy, law and order... investment in the wellbeing of our citizens... we are a nation that is respected more or less worldwide...

while I understand frustrations as regards the political status quo I also understand too well the abhorrent risk that a Sinn Fein government would represent for the people of this state.. our reputation internationally as well as the safety and security of people of and in this state....

better the devil you know..

We've had 100 years of FF and FG passing the buck and blaming each other for the piss poor job they've done in government.

Finally, they've been forced to combine and can no longer fall back on the usual excuses.

I'll vote for Sinn Fein, purely to kick out FFG for at least a term and force them to come up with new ideas.

sf will be fine, at the absolute absolute worst they will be much better then ffg would ever be, whereas at their best they will deliver all and every one of the changes needed to modernise ireland, and i am convinced that it will be sf at their best that we will get.

ffg have a bloodier past then sf so the past as an argument against voting for sf doesn't hold any water, it amounts to an i won't vote for them but i have no real reason for not voting for them argument. sure sf's past goes up to more recent then ffg but that doesn't matter if the past is going to be a problem when voting for sf but not ffg.

the reason our boy gerry held on as leader until he retired is he was popular among the party faithful and voters and he was a damn good politician, it was a sad day when he retired.

i look forward to voting for them every election as they are the party of modernisation and they will invest in our systems so that we can get back law and order, deal with the housing issues and have the quality infrastructure that we are lacking finally built.

The parties in favour of the Special Criminal Court are probably the minority these days.