Spider-Man: No Way Home spoilers from post 185

FunLover18 · 28-11-2021 1:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118234069#Comment_118234069

I actually wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't, recent interviews suggest he isn't happy with his time as Spider-Man. I still think he is in it though.

flazio · 28-11-2021 7:46am

I have a different theory about how there appears to be an "invisible" Spider-man in the trailer but I'm not willing to try spoiler tags. 😏

johnny_ultimate · 28-11-2021 10:30am

As an aside, I rewatched the first two Raimi Spider-Man movies recently and damn they’ve held up well. If anything, everything that’s followed them only elevates them further. They’re now for my money the best live-action Marvel films: big, warm-hearted, romantic and properly heroic. Maguire and Dunst are perfect, as are Dafoe and Molina. Raimi directs the absolute hell out of them: definitely the best live action superhero action sequences of them all. He managed to use impeccable editing to make that first Doc Ock fight hospital scene really crunch in a way that’s entirely absent from the MCU. While those films use rapid cuts to sort of tone down the violence, Raimi uses the same techniques to tone up the violence (despite no blood or gore to be seen).

It also existed in that sweet spot the LotR trilogy exists in too - the early era of CG where the films hadn’t become totally overwhelmed by computer effects. Sure, some of the web swinging stuff looks a bit flat and basic these days, but lots of the key scenes take place on impressive physical sets with proper stunt work.

While it’ll be cool to see some of those characters back in this (although I’m not a fan of these Holland movies) it’s made me freshly curious about how well Raimi himself will fare with his return to Marvel next year.

Zero-Cool · 28-11-2021 11:01am

Fully agree, first 2 Tobey films have been unmatched imo. I've watched them so many times but can't bring myself to do the same with the Tom ones. I actually tried to watch far from home for the 3rd time recently and kept fast forwarding bits. So much unnecessary filler combined with a neutered spidey kills the replay value for me. Sickened netflix put all the spidey films on except for Tobey 2.

pixelburp · 28-11-2021 11:17am

You could do a pretty able reduction over the contrasting tones of Raimi and MCU by that "captured villain" scene from the trailer: of course the MCU has a knowing chuckle at Doc Ock's name; ohoho, it's so silly! While Raimi never once winked at the audience, treating it all with operatic seriousness.

I'm staying excited but deeply wary of Sam Raimi helming a MCU film. I don't believe Raimi carries the kind of clout anymore that he could realistically bend the MCU formula enough to make Dr Strange 2 a "Sam Raimi Film". We'll see though, my expectations are configured accordingly.

On the subject of Spider Man 2, this YouTube essayist did a very good breakdown on its most overtly horror styled scene; this is kinda what I mean in the previous paragraph: will Raimi have that kind of creative wriggle room?

https://youtu.be/VNxwdkzEM1s

johnny_ultimate · 28-11-2021 11:28am

I wouldn’t agree Raimi plays everything seriously, there’s a Jameson scene which is an extended riff about Doc Ock’s name (and a Dr Strange wink towards the audience). I think maybe the difference is a lot of the comedy of the films is channelled through that one larger than life character (and a Simmons’ pitch perfect performance), rather than just cheap wisecracks.

https://youtu.be/2YPD5gE8O-4

I do agree about Raimi’s chances within the MCU though. Im curious but not necessarily confident. I mean his last film was nearly ten years ago and a bit of a dumpster fire. But he is maybe the only director to truly capture the vibe and look of an old fashioned comic book, so we’ll see what he comes up with.

The Phantom Pain · 28-11-2021 1:28pm

That horror sequence in the hospital was one of the things I didn't like from the original trilogy. It was self indulgent.

The first Spider-Man had some growing pains and was erratically paced. It had so much hype leading into it, marketed to hell and back but then the actual movie was just ok. Kirsten Dunst was sleep-walking through it. The second one had great cinematography and music and was a better film overall but tbh I much prefer the Amazing Spider-Man run, as short lived as it was. The MCU Spidey is the weakest of the lot, mainly because they turned him into an Iron Man protege (and now seemingly a Dr. Strange one) because, for some reason, either Sony or Marvel doesn't think Spidey is cool enough on his own anymore.

pixelburp · 28-11-2021 2:16pm

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In fairness I did say "operatic seriousness", in that heightened version of reality that's clearly ludicrous but also played by all totally straight - rather than being in on the joke that it's all bit silly. Jameson was perhaps the closest to that, Simmons playing the character with a likeable àssholery, knowing he's a bit of a Greek Chorus. Maybe it's all rose spectacles mind you, long time since I watched the Raimi films so I could be WAY off here.

The MCU has never quittttte felt confident enough to drop the winking or faint sense of... maybe not total embarrassment, but apology almost for being stories of characters with silly pseudonyms and whatnot. The best MCU films have owned that silliness, the worst trying to push against it - worse, roll its eyes at the audience. It's like the Gilmore Girls, where everybody's such a bloody smartàrse all the time (though to be fair, that is MJ's entire thing so hey)

And yes I absolutely name dropped the Gilmore Girls and will not apologise for it lol.

FunLover18 · 28-11-2021 3:18pm

Personally I didn't think of Otto Octavius line as winking at the audience, it is a rather ridiculous name. In the context of the movie I don't think they're going to turn Dock Ock into some Austin Powers villain that everyone takes the piss off. I actually saw a theory on the plot of the movie that sounds really promising, I'll spoiler it in case. Credit to @ellardent on Twitter.

Spider-Man No Way Home theory: Peter has to recover the ‘doomed to die in defeat’ villains arriving from other universes, but finds Doc Ock sympathetic and ultimately a friend. So he won’t allow Dr Strange to send them to their dooms…leading to utter multiverse madness.

Penn · 28-11-2021 4:48pm

I kinda see the Otto Octavious line as more a twist on Spierman 2, where he was known as Dr. Otto Octavious and became Doctor Octopus, whereas here they know him as Doctor Octopus first and then learn his real name. From their point of view his real name seems more like nominative determinism.

Either way, as much as you can praise Raimi for the first two Spiderman films, he also did 3. Regardless of studio interference or arguing with Tobey Maguire or whatever else was going on, that's his movie too. And it is god awful.

pixelburp · 28-11-2021 4:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118235489#Comment_118235489

That's an interesting theory, and would track with various points in the comics.

Doc Ock has sometimes been an ally IIRC, and was even Spider-Man for a time, for reasons that are way too "comic book" contrivance to go into. I believe he's a friend in the recent, well received video game.

Not like anyone who has ever seen more than 2 films would believe he'll stay in that glass prison for the whole movie either. Without checking, he's not in that line up of villains (which I'll speculate is from the last act). So does join the fight.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118235821#Comment_118235821

Could anyone have made that film work though? There was just too much going on, too much asked of him and while the "evil Peter" stuff remains toe curling, none of the Venom arc was Raimi's idea. I believe that was studio mandated. I think Vulture was meant to be the fourth film's antagonist, Raimi getting as far as storyboards.

The Phantom Pain · 28-11-2021 9:18pm

I like Spider-Man 3. It's my favourite of the Raimi trilogy. I'm in the minority though.

The Doc Oc joke is consistent with the tone of the MCU . I suppose it's what distinguishes it from Raimi and Webb's approach for better or worse.

pah · 29-11-2021 12:35pm

Tickets out now, got mine for the afternoon of 15th 🙂

Sad Professor · 04-12-2021 10:02am

Johnny Ultimate's post above promoted me to revisit the Raimi trilogy (yes all three), which I have been meaning to do for some time having not watched any of them in years. I remember seeing the first shortly after leaving school. It was a strange time in the world and there was something comforting about the film, which was made pre-9/11 though ended being edited to remove the twin towers. I think it holds up well. The second film is definitely the best. In particular I always loved the final shot (a tribute to The Graduate) of MJ, the joy slowing fading from her face as she considers an uncertain future.

The third film is often maligned for being overstuffed with villains and sub-plots but looking back it really doesn't seem that bad, especially compared the amount of plot Nolan squeezed into the TDK trilogy. It's definitely an uneven film but it's also a darker and more interesting film than the previous two. It delivers on the promise of the final shot of 2 by having Peter and MJ grapple with the consequences of being together as Peter struggles to remain good. The climax is messy but I very much like the bittersweet ambiguity of the ending.

As compromised as he may have been by commercial factors, Raimi managed make a trilogy of superhero movies that feel like they were personal to him, which was striking enough at the time but even more so now.

AMKC · 04-12-2021 11:01am

What happened? I thought this was supposed to be out on the 30th of November just gone?

The Phantom Pain · 04-12-2021 2:11pm

Apparently they're only screening 40 minutes for the critics. Whatever Sony is hiding it must be big.

pixelburp · 04-12-2021 5:03pm

Mephisto confirmed.

Penn · 04-12-2021 5:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267658#Comment_118267658

I think a few months ago all the MCU release dates for 2021 were pushed back by about 2 weeks, so that included the dates for Eternals and maybe Shang Chi as well. Release date has been mid-december for a while now.

kerplun k · 04-12-2021 9:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118268841#Comment_118268841

I noticed that as well... If you turn the latest theatrical poster upside down and invert the colours, you can clearly see a rabbit, which is obviously Mephisto. 😉

pixelburp · 05-12-2021 8:31am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118270090#Comment_118270090

Well if Sony are only allowing some of the film to be shown to critics, then either the Garfield stuff truly was the worst kept secret in Hollywood - or else what else could it be? Such that the studio would intentionally be this coy?

Mr Crispy · 05-12-2021 10:19am

Spider-Gwen, played by Emma Stone. :pac:

flazio · 05-12-2021 10:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118271141#Comment_118271141

As I mentioned elsewhere, Spider-verse Gwen is voiced by Hailee Stienfeld who's in the MCU at the moment as Kate Bishop. Never made the connection until today. New clips came out for the follow up movies, released this morning.

pixelburp · 05-12-2021 1:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118271141#Comment_118271141

It's not the craziest shout. It would certainly be a proper surprise worth keeping, as opposed to the Maguire/Garfield back and forth that had been going on

FunLover18 · 05-12-2021 2:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118271233#Comment_118271233

Spider-Man 2099 is also voiced by Oscar Isaac who is also Moonknight.

johnny_ultimate · 05-12-2021 2:15pm

I’d always be immediately suspicious of films that are apparently so full of ‘surprises’ that you have to hide them from critics. Just suggests to me (rightly or wrongly) that the film doesn’t have much going for it beyond said ‘surprises’ - surprises that’ll immediately be known after the first public screening anyway.

pixelburp · 05-12-2021 2:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118271854#Comment_118271854

Apparently, and I've not gone down the rabbit hole because who has time? Marvel and Sony have been at odds about how much of the film's cameos to spoil in promotions. The biggest being the supposed appearances or Messrs Spiderman past.

Man, if these rumours don't turn out to be true, I and others will look like some clatter of fools.

flazio · 05-12-2021 3:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118271823#Comment_118271823

I know, Culture Krave did a handy gif which actually showed me a couple I didn't know about.

https://twitter.com/CultureCrave/status/1465452729464070150?t=sSDLBqi6IRNW8W7ITnYfNA&s=19

Mr Crispy · 05-12-2021 8:59pm

https://youtu.be/7g9xcCMdwns

EoinMcLovin · 10-12-2021 5:04pm

Opening scene which is directly after the ending from Far From Home

https://youtu.be/Quo1RgMai5g

FunLover18 · 13-12-2021 9:43pm

https://twitter.com/AmonWarmann/status/1470483670091718657?t=wKdqY1mUzoWasW2S6F2YKg&s=19

There's a spoiler for Eternals in his follow up tweet purely because he's quote tweeting a film critic who spoilt a cameo in that film.

EoinMcLovin · 13-12-2021 10:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317150#Comment_118317150

Thanks for the warning. I'm just going to avoid social media and YouTube until I see the film on Friday

PTH2009 · 14-12-2021 12:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317453#Comment_118317453

Now is the time I'm cursing myself why I added so many subs on my Youtube account

2smiggy · 14-12-2021 11:29am

Reviews seem to be solid enough.

doesn't really make any difference to me. I really enjoyed the last two Tom Holland ones, so would be going to see it either way

El Gato De Negocios · 14-12-2021 11:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274055#Comment_118274055

If superhero movies were like this I'd totally watch them.

biggebruv · 14-12-2021 5:39pm

Might catch a morning show tomorrow since I’m off work I hope it’s quiet and all the little brats should be in school lol

SimonTemplar · 14-12-2021 7:18pm

This has the potential to be the first billion dollar movie since the pandemic started. Interesting to watch its box office.

Falthyron · 15-12-2021 3:39pm

I'm not the biggest MCU fan, but I am seeing a lot of Spiderman NWH leaks on the frontpage of YouTube. Actual footage from a screener and even the thumbnail is a spoiler, so if you don't want spoilers stay off YouTube/Social Media for the next few days.

I'm actually shocked that these leaked videos on YouTube are still up and easily accessible. I thought Disney would be all over this...

PTH2009 · 15-12-2021 4:08pm

Wow **** wow that was something else

The introduction of the villains esp Doc Ock, Electro and Green Goblin was great. Lizard and Sandman were meh. A little disappointing was only 1 scene where it was the green goblin suit. Willem Defoe was excellent as always.

It was so hard not to shed tears when the other spider men came into it. Generations meeting face to face.

The film flew by and it was a great story, the multiverse thing is very confusing and I can only imagine how complicated the new doctor strange could be.

Aunt may dying was unexpected and there's a little jump when you think Tobey Mcguires Spiderman was going to be killed off

Overall great movie

bennyl10 · 15-12-2021 6:17pm

Seeing this tonight, been off social media all day.. very excited!

hynesie08 · 15-12-2021 6:19pm

A fun love letter to my favorite superhero and a nice page in the new chapter of the MCU, but into the spider verse did it all better.

The White Wolf · 15-12-2021 8:40pm

Deleted. Why don't spoiler tags work anymore?

tvnutz · 15-12-2021 10:07pm

Wow, unbelievable movie! Totally lives up to the hype!

GSPfan · 15-12-2021 10:31pm

No Spoilers below.

That was great. It delivered. There’s so much packed in and the best part is that the villains are used in a really clever way and doesn’t just reduce them to one dimensional bad guys.

So happy i seen it as early as possible because the internet is riddled with spoilers.

The White Wolf · 15-12-2021 10:37pm

I enjoyed it, some things in particular more than others. Goblin and someone else were a highlight of the film for me.

Strange though was ooof. I was worried about his characterisation based on the trailers and it came to be.

hynesie08 · 15-12-2021 11:05pm

So.......

Jamie foxx's comment obviously introduces the idea of miles Morales in the MCU, but is it possible we get the 3 amigos animated in across the spiderverse? Spidergwen meeting Garfield, Miles and Holland Parker as teenagers, sets up Holland 4 or young avengers......

dreamers75 · 16-12-2021 12:25am

Enjoyable movie, one of the better marvel ones.

meh stupid boards no spoilers from me :)

SK1979 · 16-12-2021 12:32am

Yep really really enjoyed this. Saw it tonight in the big screen in santry. There was a full showing and it was a good experience watching it with so many.

Holland is very good in it I thought.

johnny_ultimate · 16-12-2021 12:33am

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The White Wolf · 16-12-2021 1:09am

Garfield was a highlight for me. I think Sony are hacks but if they can bring him back I'm all for it.

Agent Coulson · 16-12-2021 9:08am

Really enjoyed it and it’s definitely one for the fans.

Gives closure to Peter Parker and opens the door for Myles Morales to join the MCU if Peter Parker goes back to Sony.

Also Daredevil!!

Spider-Man: No Way Home *spoilers from post 185*

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