Will you be taking a booster?

Yes well said, rational has gone out the window since Jan of this year.

You seriously think that if nobody got vaccinated we would be in the same position today?

Thats mad,Ted.

I think we're seeing the limitations of science right now in a very public way.

I'm not saying science won't eventually get a handle on this virus, but we seem to be stuck between a rock and hard place tbh.

Go hard headed with the science, and risk spending another few years in this sh!tshow. Or accept to a certain degree, that you can't just put people's lives on hold indefinitely while you wait for perfection.

How do we know?, post links if you can, I do think vaccines had a big impact on lessening hospitalizations certainly

It was coming into the summer when vaccine roll out took good flow, in 2020 summer c19 pretty much died out, 2 cases, 5 cases. 0 one day too. I think it's a massive shame that the vaccines and certs, didn't quash further restrictions. I believed, and was led as we all were once immunity levels were high, all would return to 2018/19 freedoms in life.

It didn't though ...

I know so many people who had a relatively bad dose of c19 in bed for a week or so and it took 2 weeks to leave, they are all vaccinated. still missed 10 days work. etc.

This is what the pharma companies said at the start.

It was also said by many peer reviewed science papers

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/amp/

One major difference.

We didn’t have Delta last year.

Delta is a much weakened version on the Alpha variant, more transmissible less virulent, omicron is even a watered down version of that, so as expected it's weakening itself into a heavy cold. Great news tbh, more people will catch it then have natural immunities. We are lucky in the main that it has watered/weakened out this much.

Yes, continue it on it's own thread rather than trying to bring other threads off topic all the time with your under researched innuendo. Or run away, whichever you can stand over and pretend to go out of on your own terms 🤣😂

Any evidence that Delta is a much weakened version of Alpha in the absence of vaccines?

Is there any evidence at all that employing vaccines "weaken our natural defences"? Vaccines generally work by stimulating or leveraging our natural defences, and that's what they are designed to do, so it would be extremely surprising if they had the opposite effect.

In this case, we know that unvaccinated people contract Covid far more readily than vaccinated people, and tend to suffer more severely when they do contract it, and are more likely to die of it, all of which contradicts the notion that being unvaccinated means that you have stronger "natural defences".

We're sicker than people in the developing world because our vast wealth allows us to sit on our arses all day eating hyper-processed food and taking advantage of an abundance of entertainment options.

Despite this, we live much longer overall (and therefore get sicker with age) than our counterparts in the developing world because we have access to lifesaving medicine, not least of which is childhood vaccination that has saved untold lives.

The average age of death with Covid in Ireland is 83 last I checked. The average life expectancy in Africa is 64.

In other words, people in developing countries die of other causes long before they're at the age to be vulnerable to Covid-19.

By all means do the cross-fit and eat the kale—eating well and moving more are generally good for health—but vaccines are not "weakening" anyone's immune system, and no diabetic is worse off for the presence of lifesaving insulin. Quite the opposite.