What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

Financing spring fertilizer is the issue, the normal craic of ordering in January, and paying it off in the summer is a non-runner at current prices the co-ops/merchants simply aren't going to carry it , but the vast majority of farmers at the minute because of lack of cashflow our a deluded self-belief the merchants are trying to bend them over without using the vaseline don't seem to be prepared to cough up for 1000 euro urea, but fully expect the same merchants to have fertiliser in the yard for them in the spring like every other year, when they might reluctantly except they'll have to cough up the money to get it, the kick in the hole will be when they are told its not available...

Have circa 20k spent here on a mixture of stuff, 40 ton in volume, last year in Jan 2021 that 20k would of bought me 100 ton, high milk prices is the only thing saving the dairy farmer

I was on a p build up program for the past 3 years. I'm lucky to have so much done on that front. Spread nothing but 18's for 3 years and I felt as though I was always a bit low on nitrogen. Will probably go with CAN this year if I can get it and I've my own dribble bar for every second round and the spring. No reseeding done for years here so I need to make a start on that. Discing I'd say. Another year of no profit I guess.

I'm going to try save extra bales this winter. This will be a 2 year problem, even when fertilizer comes back down in the summer.

More set aside in the spring as well.

Few weeks ago gossip with a trader who deals in exporting grains.

China aint exporting any N as they reckon there was a terrible harvest in the grain belt due to rain and the fact that they're lowering specs on imported french bread wheat says as much. They won't say it as otherwise it causes trouble for the party dealing with the peasantry.

They normally export about 10m tons of N but have a hold until the summer as factories were also shut to clean up air for the winter olympics.

India at the time were looking for 3m tons atleast and simply couldnt get it, in a situation of a blank cheque for food security of a huge population.......

Be a world of beans/oats etc, and maybe distilling barley grown for malt contracts. A grain grower/miller from Saymn country was offered land beside a block the tennant had literally walked away from aas calculator said no.

Only due to a good year will western farms be around for 2022 but if prices are similar next autumn i could see fert plants being nationalised.

just checked the accounts here for last year and the fertilizer and lime cost 5 cents per litre. Now we did make a lot of surplus silage and kept 80 incalf heifers and 100 heifer calves but we definitely need to cut back for next year.

Anyone have a rough price of 0-7-30 by any chance?

I'm asking santa for an artic load of fertiliser

Could say a mass either

We might need the glanbia credit limit yet on our trading accounts

I notice very few are talking about the elephant in the room, reducing herd size. For those with high stocking rates, if they reduce demand by 10% they could reduce fertlizer by 20%. This could be the year to cull hard. Take out older cows and cows with issue's. Ginger has a point if you have a lot of surplus silage next spring consider reducing the area you close and keep more for grazing. Or else try not to produce extra grass that will have to be taken out as bales.

China have also told their citizens to stockpile food. They know what is coming.

If you really need it, you should pull the trigger now on a portion at least.

Fertilizer will not be cheaper in a few months, in America it is being priced 30 dollars a tonne dearer in February and all the push factors are make it go dearer. There seems to be not one thing saying a bit cheaper in the next 6 months.

That's a global story.

Or at least work out alternatives.

Would be slow to not take out any extra grass. Fair enough if your system can allow for destocking to a certain degree but any amount of bad weather can hit silage stocks at any time of year. Memories are short, 12/13 hammered many and 18 hit the lads in dry parts of the country. Securing winter feed for whatever you'll have should be priority number one. How one does that should be figured out by doing the sums

Why would dairy farmers cut numbers. The only thing in short supply is urea. P and Ks have gone up very little. Cutting back on fertilizer use in spring and for first silage is a mistake.