Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Every day this goes on its looking more and more like it is.

Is that aimed at yourself? You appear to be the most covid-obsessed poster here all day every day. Ironic really.

Guest on Claire Byrne talking about 'long-term scarring' from the pandemic.

"Could that be positive scarring?" says CB 😐️ wtf

I was due in for a long awaited surgical procedure today, but the hospital called this morning and cancelled because they're overrun and have no beds. I'm left in limbo and they said they'd call back when they know more.

This is one of the reasons why the selfishness and stupidity of anti-vaxxers absolutely does impact the rest of us, even if you don't believe they spread covid more than responsible people.

536 in hospital this morning, which isn't a bad outcome from the weekend. Exactly what one would expect.

Hospital data has done a really odd levelling-off in the last 3-4 days. New admissions, new cases and discharges, have all settled, nearly flatlined. There's usually some level of variance day-to-day, but is the first time since August they've all levelled off so consistently. It's only a few days mind, so an anomaly more than anything else.

But it suggests a certain amount of equilibrium between case numbers and hospital numbers. Though average discharges are outstripping average admissions, so there's a good chance we'll see it drop for a bit yet before settling. I think I had previously said based on the UK figures that around 500 in hospital (100 in ICU) seemed to be their settling point, so that could be ours too.

Yep . If we are to be fully open as a society that's looking like the figure that will be in our hospitals give or take. Once this new variant is hopefully confirmed as not game changing i think the HSE will be told to get on with things.

Micheál Martins comments last night has pulled all the little authoritarians out of the woodwork and given them permission to voice their true opinions.

Reddit Ireland last night was noticeably more extreme than it's usual extreme self. Some of the opinions being put forward are quite frightening if they were to be enacted.

The discontinuation of both the HSPC and (as it seems for the moment) the CSO vaccination break down reports makes it now almost impossible to see if the collapse of confirmed unvaccinated case rates continued beyond the 12 November.

It does seem from the new style HSPC report that the confirmed unvaccinated case rate may have been as low as 4% for the week between 12 November and 20 November. (Scratch that. See note below).

Beyond that is definitely unknown.

Edit: CSO report has now been updated with new figures. Percentages raised for some weeks.

New figures now correspond with HSPC figures for confirmed unvaccinated showing 13% all cases between 17 Oct and 20 Nov.

CSO report:

Thanks for sharing that info.

I was bamboozled as to where the new report was relating to deaths & ICU by vaccination status.

The HPSC data is shaky at best, due to the "with covid" categorization rather than anything to do with symptoms / reason for admission / comorbidities etc.

As someone who works with stats every day, I find the packaging of the data deeply troubling.

It smacks of incompetence or plain old obfuscation, and I sense many of the disagreements among the public and here on boards can be directly attributed to the confusion that results from poor data collection and analysis.

Unfortunately the new style HSPC report makes almost impossible to calculate the weekly ICU admissions and death notifications by vaccination status without going through months of other reports.

This is because they have changed the start date of the reports from April 1st to June 27th.

It may be possible to work it out again when the next report is released assuming they keep June 27th as the start date.

By then the information will be two weeks out of date rather than one.

This is because the current report only goes as far as the 20th of November which was also the end date of the old report released on the 26th.

I will put up whatever I find but it is not a secret. The information is there. It is just that the way it is produced makes it very difficult to interpret.

I can do the easy ones but only someone who knows what they are doing might be able to trawl through the rest.

How does that conflate to recent hospitalisation though?

is fairly clear that with community transmission a higher number of cases will be in vaccinated, as that’s the vast majority of the community. That’s nothing anti vaccination, it’s simple fact.

the correspondence of those cases to hospitalisation is where we need to be looking