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Exactly, yet we have some people on here claiming that if we had invaded Northern Ireland back in 1970, everyone would have stood back and waved us in. It is clearly delusional.

You seem to have difficulty with definitions...Argentina invaded blanch.

And Britain responded because Maggie needed the win for her own popularity problems and only after coming under severe pressure from the Americans and diplomatic moves in the back channels, to resolve the issue. Reagan strenuously advised her not to retaliate.

That place (the back channels) was where we could have achieved much in the interests of those we decided to abandon ultimately. Then we spent years whining because somebody did step into the vacuum we created.

Do your research, don't just be reading the gung ho Gotcha redtops of British daring do. Every situation has its own constraints and opportunities for all involved.

Nonsense, pure and utter deluded war-mongering nonsense.

Can you put forward any credible person who would have bigged up an Irish Army invasion in 1970?

A few lads signed up? Do you mean the majority of our Dail signed up, the Dail we fought a war over?

Look, you either believe in democracy or not. Those saying we should not have signed the treaty.... then what? A United Ireland magically appears and the Ulster Volunteers just join? You guys are smoking too much of the good stuff. ROFL.

You are the one talking through your hat. Stormont voted to rejoin the Union. The Dail voted to accept the treaty which partitioned the country.

Are you saying that we should have forced, by the gun Ulster to join a United Ireland?

Sending Military troops over international borders is an invasion.

You know that, I know that but as usual when you lose the argument you resort to your tried and trusted form of dancing on a pin when it comes to language.

So, anyone agrees with you on that? Any noted historian or policymaker or politican?

In your opinion...

Your war-mongering talk reminds me of when the Nazi's were talking about uniting the Germans in the 1930's....

Uber nationalists and right-wing.

Tell us, how many of these experts advocated invading the North in 1922 or 1970?

Partition was inevitable and this fact must really grate on you.

The Treaty was voted on in Westminister.

The Dail voted on the Treaty

The Irish Free State was founded on the 6th of December

For a brief 24 hour period, Ireland was indeed United.

Stormont decided to opt-out of the new Irish Free State on the 7th of December and NI rejoined the Union.....

So no links to historians, policymakers or politicians backing up your warmongering....

Thought so.

I have yet to see any credible argument that lays out exactly how we could have avoided partition.

I agree that we are not Iran, Germany, US, Vietnam or Israel. We were significantly weaker diplomatically than any of them in 1970.

Germany in 1939 had allies, many of them powerful, Iran has support across the Arab world, the US is a world power leader of a vast military alliance, Vietnam had China and Soviet backing, Israel has US and NATO backing, compared to that we are a mosquito in diplomatic terms, able to be swotted away by any major power.

There were many more far worse despotic regimes than the UK in Northern Ireland in 1970 that were routinely ignored by the UN and the international community. Do you think we were different because we were special, because we were Irish? That is deluded exclusionary nationalist thinking.

Tayto Cheese and Onion was only 3p in 1970.

And that is about as relevant as what you are on about.

The relationship between the 2 countries is what would have stopped the British responding aggressively to a humanitarian mission...nobody would be rocking up to Stormont in tanks.

Britain wiping out a humanitarian mission in 1970...are you mad?

It would have been solved by diplomacy where we could have achieved protection for our people. Even if it failed it would have avoided the vacuum forming that a reluctant IRA saw no choice but to fill.

'Fill', as the British knew they would and Lynch and Dublin knew as well. Gross and tragic disregard, incompetency or willful neglect of duty any self respecting government would be ashamed of.

You want us to prove a negative.

The idea is so outlandish that no one has bothered to talk about it, except you.

There is a very basic reason why no one has touched such a theory. It too outlandish and whacky.

You can't produce a single commentator to back you up.

Go back and read the link I provided you because it is clear that you never did. The Irish Army assessment talks about it the "invasion" being under the guise of a "humanitarian mission". And still they predicted it would make things worse.

It was an utterly delusional proposal for the Irish Army to cross the border in 1970.