Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Thats funny. I was googling who is the brother.

No drastic action on the way,stormy... Nobody sharpening pitchforks .. That would be just media hype and the associated hysteria on here and social media.

As for you" getting to the bottom of the numbers " ,really ? !

I have given you chapter and verse before along with a NOCA report that details all of these " numbers " but somehow has gone ignored by those who persist with a narrative of wanting to know the truth!

Believe me when I tell you that any unvaccinated people with Covid are sick with it if in ICU . Regardless of how they got it . They don't end up in Covid ICU unless they are very sick .

Or don't believe me . It doesn't bother me except I will continue to call bs when I see these posts .

And they are from a position of ignorance , because you don't know and are only guessing , where I am not.

You can't continue making definitive claims and be surprised when it is corrected by somebody who knows what the situation is. Do you expect me not to reply at all unless I can give you the personal details of all my patients?

That's the difference here ,whether it is the fault of the HSE for not providing clearer details ,or you or others for not listening or believing what people who work in the area are saying.

And when you and others try to make out it is " anti-the-unvaccinated " rhetoric ,did it ever occur to you that people might be at all coming from a position of looking out for the welfare and health of people and not out to get anybody?

Even when it was reported that one of the issues might be that those unvaccinated from Eastern European countries are among the highest groups ending up in hospital and ICU. And there was a multiligual and targeted effort at communication re vaccines commenced because these groups don't generally read Irish news or watch Irish tv as it is not their first language ,and that there is a history of mistrust in authority and vaccine hesitancy for obvious historical reasons , this was seen and attacked by posters on here as racist and ghettoising unvaccinated.

This was a very immature and ignorant response to a natural and sensible solution to an issue , which shows that even if a bit belated , somebody in the vaccination program was looking at the CSO data and working on ways to get information to marginalised groups .

Honestly think some people here have some perverse need to think the worst of and doubt that anybody in the public service might actually be trying to do just that ..public service...even if it is a job they get paid for .

Goodnight.

Don't tell NPHET, they'll propose more restrictions!

I believe your including myriad topics following quoting my post is a scatter-gun approach but no matter.

There’s no indication of drastic action on the way, but there is call for it as evidenced in media, here and internationally.

From your post you are claiming that every Covid positive case in ICU is in Covid ICU solely because of Covid?

If you are willing to stand behind this statement on behalf of all ICUs in the country - that not one person in Covid ICU was there because they needed an ICU bed and as a secondary, tested positive for Covid - then okay I guess I’m inclined to accept it.

I drew attention early to those marginalised unvaccinated in ICU and noted there were measures being taken to tackle the issue, so I’m not sure who that bit of the lecture was for.

And that point only adds to the argument that we (not I) should “get to the bottom of” (understand) he numbers and not blanket the ‘unvaccinated’ as the root of the problem.

Lastly you say you directed me to information people are calling for re whether patients are admitted for Covid symptoms or for something else but incidentally test positive for Covid. This information is not in the public domain. You can apply for it here;

But you will need to go through a vigorous application process, not accessible for laypersons like you or I.

Not all anti vaxxers are very fit and healthy unfortunately.

You might be right. I think Sweden is an interesting case study - they tried to do things their own way at least. Now it kind of looks like their current wave is delayed (when compared to their neighbours), so it's best to wait a bit before handing out the awards.

I think it's really hard to find a country that's handled the pandemic brilliantly. I don't think there are any. Some have handled parts of it very well, but haven't managed to keep it up for the whole time.

Tony’s ego will love that, obviously restrictions work, particularly reducing hospitality opening hours. Or maybe, just maybe, its just the ebb and flow of the virus, weren't we told we were 4 weeks behind UK.

Also if they had of got a handle on schools, we wouldn't be seeing the large number of cases but hey, we all know its not the schools.

Just a thought that I had there looking at boards. The Covid thread seems to be slow today and the storm threads seem to be in full flow. RTE is leading with the storm also.

Now this is obviously correct as we have a storm brewing and its in the national interest but in my mind it also shows how much social media etc can play apart in hysteria these days. We jump from one to the other if something bad is happening in Belgium or any other country it may as well be happening here.

It’s very hard to get a calm rational conversation these days every thing is so intense.

social media has its good points and it’s bad points I personally find no point in debating or getting into conversations with people you cant see. Over the last two years a lot of “experts” have popped up even on boards ( by the way there are also some very thrust worthy and good sources of info on boards )that can produce facts figures from all over the world etc a lot of it copied and pasted.

I always wonder why the experts that you see on the morning shows and radio etc aren’t actually been asked by the government for their inputs? Why are they just working the media circuit🤷.

Its clear that without social media this virus would have been treated differently.

Social media gives people without a voice a voice which is good but it also allows the mob to shout down people anonymously. Take the example that anyone who suggested we cocoon the elderly and vulnerable to shield them from society was met with you can’t segregate people no matter what and we are all in this together. Now people have no problem segregating and shaming the unvaccinated, kids from school etc.

I also think there is a large cohort of people just getting on with it and loving their lives they are the people you don’t hear from.

What’s even worse is they are warning of more deadly viruses in the future so what will we do then.

I saw on Sky earlier that the UK don't have anyone in hospital with the Omicron variant.

Did you read the whole sentence?? It's a load of nonsense yet this is the Philip Nolan rubbish that the government is making decisions on that affects thousands of people's livelihoods. You're correct we don't know yet, but Nolan is running with the close to worst case scenario and predicting "very high demand for hospital and critical care". #FollowingTheScience

He's still hyping up Omicron at the moment but he is now playing the "Omicron wave hasn't hit hospitals yet" card.