Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Massively under reported simply due to the fact that everyone is paying attention to Storm Barra instead of Covid.

Then when we're back on the Covid bus this'll give us a 7k day.

Well, if you go for "herd immunity" in the first wave, and ten thousand of the most vulnerable die, it stands to reason there's going to be fewer deaths in the next waves.

Probably an unhealthy mix of the two

Hospital numbers back down to 483 tonight.

covid-19-daily-operations-update-6-december-2021.pdf (hse.ie)

It's exactly the same more or less and that is without any lockdowns.

A vulnerable citizen in Sweden was safer than one in Ireland.

That claim is backed up in the following

5700 died in total from Covid Ireland(not all in the vulnerable category but for simplicity we will use that figure)

Ireland had about 700,00 vulnerable citizens. Ireland had a death rate of about 814 per 100k vulnerable

15,170 died in Sweden. (not all in the vulnerable category but for simplicity we will use that figure)

Sweden has 2 million vulnerable citizens. Sweden has a death rate of 758 per 100k vulnerable

(The figures highlight the same population and death rate adjusted for over 65, but its a lot of work to extrapolate that, you could do do yourself if you were interested)

We like to think in Ireland that the destructive effect the lockdowns will have on our society economically and financially for decades was all for something.

But the stats don't support lockdown's, and certainly don't afford Irish people to think they have done better than other countries just because they supported lockdown's

Im after spending 10 minutes typing out a post of shite that you just articulated in 1 sentence

Yeah, though that might also indicate that mortality displacement is at play. If they were to finish 2021 with a lower than average death rate, then one might be inclined to say that, statistically, their Covid policy led to deaths that would likely have happened within a matter of months anyway.

Now that’s not exactly a cause for jump for joy and give Sweden a gold star, but I do think there is a valid distinction to be made number of deaths outright and the actual years of life lost for victims.

Thats funny. I was googling who is the brother.

No drastic action on the way,stormy... Nobody sharpening pitchforks .. That would be just media hype and the associated hysteria on here and social media.

As for you" getting to the bottom of the numbers " ,really ? !

I have given you chapter and verse before along with a NOCA report that details all of these " numbers " but somehow has gone ignored by those who persist with a narrative of wanting to know the truth!

Believe me when I tell you that any unvaccinated people with Covid are sick with it if in ICU . Regardless of how they got it . They don't end up in Covid ICU unless they are very sick .

Or don't believe me . It doesn't bother me except I will continue to call bs when I see these posts .

And they are from a position of ignorance , because you don't know and are only guessing , where I am not.

You can't continue making definitive claims and be surprised when it is corrected by somebody who knows what the situation is. Do you expect me not to reply at all unless I can give you the personal details of all my patients?

That's the difference here ,whether it is the fault of the HSE for not providing clearer details ,or you or others for not listening or believing what people who work in the area are saying.

And when you and others try to make out it is " anti-the-unvaccinated " rhetoric ,did it ever occur to you that people might be at all coming from a position of looking out for the welfare and health of people and not out to get anybody?

Even when it was reported that one of the issues might be that those unvaccinated from Eastern European countries are among the highest groups ending up in hospital and ICU. And there was a multiligual and targeted effort at communication re vaccines commenced because these groups don't generally read Irish news or watch Irish tv as it is not their first language ,and that there is a history of mistrust in authority and vaccine hesitancy for obvious historical reasons , this was seen and attacked by posters on here as racist and ghettoising unvaccinated.

This was a very immature and ignorant response to a natural and sensible solution to an issue , which shows that even if a bit belated , somebody in the vaccination program was looking at the CSO data and working on ways to get information to marginalised groups .

Honestly think some people here have some perverse need to think the worst of and doubt that anybody in the public service might actually be trying to do just that ..public service...even if it is a job they get paid for .

Goodnight.

Don't tell NPHET, they'll propose more restrictions!

I believe your including myriad topics following quoting my post is a scatter-gun approach but no matter.

There’s no indication of drastic action on the way, but there is call for it as evidenced in media, here and internationally.

From your post you are claiming that every Covid positive case in ICU is in Covid ICU solely because of Covid?

If you are willing to stand behind this statement on behalf of all ICUs in the country - that not one person in Covid ICU was there because they needed an ICU bed and as a secondary, tested positive for Covid - then okay I guess I’m inclined to accept it.

I drew attention early to those marginalised unvaccinated in ICU and noted there were measures being taken to tackle the issue, so I’m not sure who that bit of the lecture was for.

And that point only adds to the argument that we (not I) should “get to the bottom of” (understand) he numbers and not blanket the ‘unvaccinated’ as the root of the problem.

Lastly you say you directed me to information people are calling for re whether patients are admitted for Covid symptoms or for something else but incidentally test positive for Covid. This information is not in the public domain. You can apply for it here;

But you will need to go through a vigorous application process, not accessible for laypersons like you or I.

Not all anti vaxxers are very fit and healthy unfortunately.

You might be right. I think Sweden is an interesting case study - they tried to do things their own way at least. Now it kind of looks like their current wave is delayed (when compared to their neighbours), so it's best to wait a bit before handing out the awards.

I think it's really hard to find a country that's handled the pandemic brilliantly. I don't think there are any. Some have handled parts of it very well, but haven't managed to keep it up for the whole time.