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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    The UK have been brilliant in their handling of this. Brilliantly well on some things and brilliantly bad on other aspects.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Tony’s ego will love that, obviously restrictions work, particularly reducing hospitality opening hours. Or maybe, just maybe, its just the ebb and flow of the virus, weren't we told we were 4 weeks behind UK.

    Also if they had of got a handle on schools, we wouldn't be seeing the large number of cases but hey, we all know its not the schools.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,909 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    I use both names.My married and maiden name are on my passport though which has come in handy.You can request that as part of the passport application, I think you just send in marriage cert too.Have one piece of ID with both or else commit to one name or the other.Also am married with kids, but still in the habit of using my maiden name as I use it at work and it's on bank accounts etc.Vaccine cert is in my maiden name, I use my driver licence for ID which is my married name, no problems to date.



  • Registered Users Posts: 928 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    Just a thought that I had there looking at boards. The Covid thread seems to be slow today and the storm threads seem to be in full flow. RTE is leading with the storm also.

    Now this is obviously correct as we have a storm brewing and its in the national interest but in my mind it also shows how much social media etc can play apart in hysteria these days. We jump from one to the other if something bad is happening in Belgium or any other country it may as well be happening here.

    It’s very hard to get a calm rational conversation these days every thing is so intense.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,909 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    What's more frustrating is how heavily the media is influenced by these social media hysterias, and it shows in the reporting. I see headlines in the Indo about how to amuse your kids with printable material for the day, a video of a kid being told school is cancelled, a report from the Dept of Ed that online learning is not required today (it bloody isn't, I will not be schooling my kids today)....total clickbait stuff to fill up space that has little or nothing to do with the actual storm, but is obviously influenced by trends circulating on the likes of Twitter and Instagram. It should be a lesson to everyone to be able to step back, switch it all off and spend time in the real world, then compare that to what you are reading and ask yourself do the two come anywhere near each other.

    Also a lesson to apply several pinches of salt to anything you read in the media.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    UK did right to open while we where always going to have restrictions over xmas and probably into next march even though we are equally vaccinated with media and nhpet scaring the shite out of us and govt happy to hide peering out every now and again.

    Glad i am not in the country, in a place that is living with covid



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,882 ✭✭✭Russman


    "I think it's really hard to find a country that's handled the pandemic brilliantly. I don't think there are any. Some have handled parts of it very well, but haven't managed to keep it up for the whole time."

    I think this is one of the best summations of the whole thing tbh. IMHO sometimes the simple answer is the right one, its not a vast left wing conspiracy, its not a vast right wing conspiracy, its not part of a plan to kill socialising, its not someone's agenda. The reality is the world was hit with a virus that is just about perfect for doing what it has done to society. Almost all countries responded in much the same way, the only real difference being the finer details, but broadly speaking the measures were similar. Different waves hitting countries at different times also skews any looking at dates of measures being implemented or lifted a bit too. I keep coming back to asking myself if almost all the experts in public health, virology, epidemiology etc etc are pretty much on the same page, can they ALL be wrong ? I just don't buy that they are. That's not to say they're all correct - the whole word was flying blind to a large degree and I think we got their best guesses.

    Each country's response was tailored to their own specific circumstances, our hospital capacity was a limiting factor on ours no doubt, the Conservatives in the UK probably have a different view on lives Vs economy, the Swedes are culturally different again, some Euro countries were more accepting of curfews, they're all a bit different. Everyone is viewing this through their own personal circumstances and cherry picking bits of random countries' responses that suit and claiming we should have done this or that. And round and round we go.

    Anyway, looks like rain Ted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 928 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    social media has its good points and it’s bad points I personally find no point in debating or getting into conversations with people you cant see. Over the last two years a lot of “experts” have popped up even on boards ( by the way there are also some very thrust worthy and good sources of info on boards )that can produce facts figures from all over the world etc a lot of it copied and pasted.

    I always wonder why the experts that you see on the morning shows and radio etc aren’t actually been asked by the government for their inputs? Why are they just working the media circuit🤷.

    Its clear that without social media this virus would have been treated differently.

    Social media gives people without a voice a voice which is good but it also allows the mob to shout down people anonymously. Take the example that anyone who suggested we cocoon the elderly and vulnerable to shield them from society was met with you can’t segregate people no matter what and we are all in this together. Now people have no problem segregating and shaming the unvaccinated, kids from school etc.


    I also think there is a large cohort of people just getting on with it and loving their lives they are the people you don’t hear from.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,489 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Agreed. But look it's fine. I'm sure that the Government will have learned there lesson and will fully reopen come April / May of next year. Feck it. Sure the only things that is lost is a year of peoples lives, countless jobs and business's, a savage epidemic of mental health issues along with missed diagnoses of fatal illness's. Serious questions will be asked of the handling of this entire thing. Especially when people start dying because they couldn't receive adequate treatments during an imposed lockdown of services. Shameful.



  • Registered Users Posts: 928 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    What’s even worse is they are warning of more deadly viruses in the future so what will we do then.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    We are at 505 in hospital this breezy morning, up 2.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭nc6000


    I saw on Sky earlier that the UK don't have anyone in hospital with the Omicron variant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,288 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    That can't be true. We brought in new restrictions here specifically with Omicron mentioned as part of the rationale. NPHET knows best from their latest scare mongering letter:

    If omicron becomes dominant over the coming weeks and is associated with even moderate reductions in vaccine effectiveness and increases in transmissibility, the risk of a surge in disease is high to very high, any such surge is amplified by increased effective social contact over the Christmas period, and this would translate into very high demand for general hospital and critical care.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    You need to read the whole sentence and not just the bolded part. There are a lot of qualifiers there. Also, we really don't know if Omicron is a milder strain. Hopefully it is and some of the stuff we have seen suggests it may be but we don't know yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,121 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Hospitality restrictions make absolutely no difference. How could they?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,288 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Did you read the whole sentence?? It's a load of nonsense yet this is the Philip Nolan rubbish that the government is making decisions on that affects thousands of people's livelihoods. You're correct we don't know yet, but Nolan is running with the close to worst case scenario and predicting "very high demand for hospital and critical care". #FollowingTheScience



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,430 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Yep.


    Pat kenny didn't sound happy when he was just told this on radio.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,288 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    He's still hyping up Omicron at the moment but he is now playing the "Omicron wave hasn't hit hospitals yet" card.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    They're not "warning" of more deadly viruses though really. The point was made that there is no guarantee that Covid is the worst thing to happen in a century and that nothing bad will come along for another 100 years. There could be another pandemic in five years' time and it could be worse.

    Key word there being "could". It's basically a lottery. It's guaranteed that there will be pandemics in future, but no guarantee of when they will occur or how severe they will be.

    The warning in general is that pandemic preparedness has been underfunded for decades and up to covid was seeing funding dropping continuously. In many ways we got lucky with covid that we were able to pull our sh1t together so quickly to minimise the impact. A more deadly virus could wreak absolute chaos, so there's a need for a global effort to ensure unity on our preparedness for future pandemics.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭nc6000


    Then Sajid Javid was lying to parliament. Maybe Omicron will become an issue but it doesn't seem to be one at the moment.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    ...down 31 on yesterday. Up 2 on Sunday's number :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users Posts: 928 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    Of course your right but the timing of these things and the context is very important. If they were to report on everything that could be a problem in the future we’re would we be. Also this isn’t the first pandemic and won’t be the last the difference is the media and social media which keep reporting day in day out looking for the next fear driver.

    If the same energy and focus had been put on to the health services every year and what we could be facing with its short comings maybe we would be in a better place.

    like I said these things need context it’s about feeding the fear and getting clicks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,065 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The point is to "make news".

    Interview someone, ask them loaded questions (Is it possible we could see an even worse pandemic in the next century?) and then misrepresent their answers to get a clickbaity article. Thats how journalism works nowadays



  • Registered Users Posts: 928 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    Spot on as can be seen today the storm is front and centre covid relegated to the benches for now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    The point of the statement is, to use your examples, that countries at high risk of tsunamis invest in flood defences. Countries in earthquake zones invest in mitigation measures. And so forth.

    The entire world is in a "pandemic risk zone" if you want to think of it that way, and we should therefore remember what had to be done this time, build on it, invest more in it, so that when the next one comes along we are better prepared and don't have to engage in rolling lockdowns and travel bans, and mandatory vaccinations, in order to allow life to keep moving forward while we deal with the issue.

    Countries that experience natural disasters on a regular basis, take note of what failed each time and invest to avoid making those same mistakes the next time. This is what the world needs to do.

    Edit: I would also agree that for some of the media, the point of the article is to sensationalise the "more deadly virus" bit, while if you actually read what she said, that's not the point at all.



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    Nabarro said yesterday that the WHO is not aware of a single case in the whole world of serious illness linked to omicron. The whole response is a panicked, knee jerk, unscientific mess



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,695 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    This type of thinking keeps coming back around, there's 2 possibilities here:

    • The number in ICU unvaccinated is being inflated so that NPHET and the government can keep the COVID pass in use
    • There is still an issue with the number of unvaccinated in ICU that means that NPHET and the government has to keep the COVID pass in use

    If the former, you need to also come up with reasons the government (and governments across Europe and in the UK) want to do this, they have access to all the data and are reporting the reasons why and implementing the policy.

    Otherwise it goes around and around in a "with COVID or for COVID" circular argument.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    Lets be honest we know NPHET and the Government used the Omicron strain as an excuse to close nightclubs and bring in other restrictions, the data isnt there yet to justify the move but do it anyway, keep blaming the unvaccinated and hope it distracts everyone enough to stop pointing out how crap our heath system is despite the huge sums pumped into it every year.



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  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's just depressing in this country!

    It's going to be windy tomorrow, orange warning and close the schools.

    Why should we close the schools?

    Well, an abundance of caution and sure the windows would be open.

    Just close the windows?

    Oh we can't, they'll die of COVID.

    But only 1 person under 20 died with COVID.

    Yeah well if we didn't close the windows it would be 1000.


    I imagine kids summer holidays will eventually be cancelled and replaced with winter lockdowns as schools are too dangerous.

    Hysteria has really won in this country.



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