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Storm Barra: December 7/8th 2021 **Technical Discussion Only**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,357 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    Ok, well it was very calm there for a bit, has picked up now again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Winds have backed to SW direction and picking up too. In North Cork



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Tazio


    Cork Airport reported wind speeds - some increase from 0900h to 1000h --- wonder what 1100h will yield.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 Jan Kroplewski


    Currently 133 km away From Galway but at the moment from my understanding Galway has now been cleared from the eye at least but Castlebar may have the eye



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,845 ✭✭✭dacogawa


    Lovely shape now, nearly hypnotic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Pressure of 960hPa at Mace Head lowest i've seen so far, low centre must be close to 955hPa



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 Jan Kroplewski




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Eye currently looks to be just west of Clew Bay.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why would my pressure be so low at 943hpa.?

    I'm 166 m asl



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,011 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    Serious looking showers at the end of that centre



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,335 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    The storms forward motion has slowed down now considerably. Picking up along the South coast. Higher gusts here near Tralee too, no anemometer in action atm.

    960.8 hPa Falling Rapidly






  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭CrowdedHouse


    You could add about 1hpa for every 10m of height for the sea level pressure

    Seven Worlds will Collide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,248 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Sustained winds of 139kmh and gust 161kmh at Fastnet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    A 70 knot gust at Valentia in last hour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,248 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Gust of 189kmh

    at the south rock buoy off Co Down 😳 had to look twice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,221 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    11 am, 10-minute gust 71 knots at Kerry Airport

    METAR EIKY 071100Z 24044G71KT 6000 +RA OVC014 06/04 Q0965=

    Elsewhere, 67 knots at Sherkin Island the highest

    PsMETAR SHER 071100Z AUTO 25047G67KT 3100NDV BKN021/// 08/05 0975 MSL RERA=

    Waterford Airport now gusting only 45 knots.

    Pressure at Mace Head now 959 hPa.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,845 ✭✭✭dacogawa


    Squall line from Derry to Swansea, can't say I've seen that before!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Tazio


    Cork Airport reported wind speeds... in the last hour it has moderated somewhat ?






  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,221 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    That's obviously your station pressure, not reduced to sea level. Altitute of 160 m amsl would equate to a sea-level pressure of ~964 hPa, which is more reasonable. The conversion is 1 hPa for every 8.1 metres or so.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭ascophyllum


    GFS 06z showing sustained winds over 80km for Mayo and Sligo tonight - upgrade to a red warning surely?

    Hirlam showing this continuing well into Wednesday. I'm using windguru to see those values



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,742 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Note Valentia failed to report at 11z probably a power failure? That gust at Kerry airport tells the story. Did Kinsale energy platform close down, I noticed they weren't on the buoy reports this past year or so. Must be gusting near 100 kts out there.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,335 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Picking up now





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    I wonder will Galway and Mayo go red.


    The sun is out now and its very calm here in west Mayo, very deceiving for whats to arrive later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    We have no wind out here but even for here the rain is heavy and relentless. Hour after hour

    West Mayo offshore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭blindsider


    Yes MT, the Kinsale field has been plugged and they had a 'decommissioning plan'. I think they had planned to be finished last month, so there's not likely to be any/much activity now.


    Still very gusty in Cork city - but the sky has brightened considerable in the last few minutes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭ascophyllum


    Arpege also showing gusts 130 to 150 for Mayo after 6pm. A Red warning would be warranted sooner rather than later so people can get home, make arrangements etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    That's a decent height to be at, atmospheric pressure forecasts are adjusted to be for sea level, and 166m above that will shave off quite a few millibars from the sea level equivalent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,729 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    Waterford airport gust reports (knots)

    9.30 - 57

    10.00 - 54

    10.30 - 45

    11.00 - 55

    11.30 - 53



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,742 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Seeing Valentia now gusting 70 knots, station record being what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


     In 1997 Valentia recorded a gust of 88 knots. But I've a feeling the record is higher... @sryanbruen might have the data!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭ascophyllum


    GFS 06Z for Southwest Mayo, a sustained wind of 96kmh.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,573 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    looking at ventusky and they are showing the centre of the storm over Scottish borders tommorrow morning and the north west getting 100kmh gusts. but that's on the icon run . is that an outlier or is that where its heading ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,729 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    Waterford airport has it's first 60kt gust in the 12.00 report.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,221 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Valentia was reporting on the aviation site. Gust 70 knots in the previous hour.

    PsMETAR VALE 071100Z AUTO 27046G70KT 4000NDV BR BKN017/// 07/05 0971 MSL=



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Pressure still falling at Mace Head, this is a deep storm, pressure ~ 957hPa at midday, can't work out full conversion to sea level so will await official update.


    Pressure has dropped 40hPa at Mace Head in 12 hours



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Recent gust to 73 knots or 135km/h at Sherkin Island



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    The gusts seem stronger, but look to be dropping in Cork City, down to 48kt gusts in the last hour. Latest TAF reading seems to say that the gusts will get up to 60kts between 12 and 6pm - Max 53kt gust in the last hour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,221 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    "Barra"metric pressure aviation warnings from Met Éireann:

    EISN PR WRNG 02 VALID 070900/071500 EISN SURFACE PRESSURE IS EXPECTED TO PASS THROUGH THE VALUES 0976 HPA AND 0960 HPA IN SHANNON FIR DURING THE FORECAST PERIOD E OF W00100 FCST=

    The significance of such warnings is to alert pilots to the danger of gross differences between the indicated altitude (as read from the onboard altimeter) and the actual altitude (true height above sea level, as indicated by e.g. a GPS).

    As altimeters are calibrated for use at the standard 1013 hPa, when setting it to the current regional sea-level pressure (QNH) of e.g. 960 hPa, it will read around 1430 feet too high ((1013-960)x27). So if you're flying at what you think is 1500 ft, you're actually only around 70 ft above sea level (and in all likelihood digging a trench in the ground in all but coastal locations).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,221 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Sherkin Island 10-minute mean wind 60, gust 73 knots at midday.

    PsMETAR SHER 071200Z AUTO 27060G73KT 2300NDV -SHRA BKN024/// 06/04 0975 MSL=


    Waterford Airport gust 60 knots

    METAR EIWF 071200Z 24039G60KT 190V270 9999 FEW006 SCT020 07/05 Q0973 R21/2/////=



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Tazio


    Cork Airport & Roches Point Wind speeds for today --





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,221 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    The station pressure at Mace Head at midday was 954.8 hPa, converting to 957.5 hPa at sea level. The station is 23 m above sea level.

    Here are the actual station pressures. Only 936 hPa at Knock Airport (200 m amsl).




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Malin Head getting some decent wind this morning 119kmh gust at 10am, 87 kmh mean 10 min speed



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Was talking to someone in Glencolmkill. He was saying it was windy up there.

    Last time I looked it was a steady 60 kmh at my location



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,960 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    956 & rising Knocknacarra Galway. Wind had really dropped but heavy showers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,221 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Big dip in gusts at Kerry Airport at 12:30, down to 40 knots from 56 knots at 12:00.

    METAR EIKY 071230Z 26023G40KT 240V300 7000 -RA OVC015 06/04 Q0969=


    Here are the half-hourly gusts since 9 am

    45 - 37 - 49 - 50 - 71 - 57 - 56 - 40



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,742 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Okay, so let's see how the models did with this from 72 hours ...

    This grid with model positions for 12z today was posted in the other thread (now the COVID overflow not storming here thread) on Saturday taking down all available model predictions for the event. Just like in our forecast contests, Con Sensus is almost exactly right.

    I have placed an X where the low centre was reported to be (just southwest of Mace Head) and the central pressure was probably closer to 957 than 959. Below this copy of the grid and notes, I have added some comments ...


    MODEL PREDICTIONS of 12z TUES 7th DEC LOW position, central pressures

    (faster models show an 06z position on the grid (in brackets, e.g. Arp) UK 06z pres likely similar c 965.

    Not shown is JMA with low around 53N 18W, similar track to ICON but 12h slower.

    ==================================================

    _ _ _ _ 11_ _ _ _ _ 10 _ _ _ _ _9_ _ _ _ _ _ 8_ _ _ _ _ _ 7_ _ _ _ _ _ 6_ _ _ _ _

    _ _ _ _GEMECM _ _ |_ _ _ _ _ _|_ _ _ _ _ _ |_ _ _ _ _ _ |_ _ _ _ _ _ |_ _ _ _ _

    ______956 957___________________________________________________ 55 F

    GFS ICON _ _ con_ |_ _ _ _ _ _|_ _ _ _ _ _ |_ _ _ _ _ _ |_ _ _ _ _ _ |_ _ _ _ _

    961 959____X 959__________________Arp__________________________ 54 N

    _ _ _(Arp 06) _ _ |_ _ _ _ _ _|_ _ _ _ _ _964 _ _ _ _ _ |_ _ _ _ _ _ |_ _ _ _ _

    _____963_(UK)_____________________UK____________________________ 53 N

    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |_ _ _ _ _ _|_ _ _ _ _ _967 _ _ _ _ _ |_ _ _ _ _ _ |_ _ _ _ _

    ________________________________________________________________ 52 N

    _ _ _ _|_ _ _ _ _ _ |_ _ _ _ _ _|_ _ _ _ _ _ |_ _ _ _ _ _ |_ _ _ _ _ _ |_ _ _ _ _

    ________________________________________________________________ 51 N


    Some earlier model runs had tracks in the 51-52 N area cutting north around 7W,

    this is basically off the south coast and then near Wexford.

    I have marked a "Con" for consensus on weighted average by model reliability.

    That position is near Newport. Most of these model tracks are from WSW to ENE at 12z.

    ---------------------------------------------------------

    The outcome is that the weighted model consensus from 72 hours was very close to perfect. The model which had the least positional error was the ICON which went on to introduce a more southerly track for several runs recently. But back then it had the closest approximation although most of the others were quite good, some were a bit off to the north closer to Belmullet, and the Arpege had a fairly good track but was too fast by about 4-5 hours. The UKMO was the furthest out with a track through west Munster, something it maintained until almost the last run before the storm.

    As to intensity, GEM and ECM were closest but the model consensus was also very good.

    Moral of the story, take a weighted consensus whenever possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Little snowy old me


    Surprisingly quiet in here considering....



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Pressure is rising. Up to 947hpa.

    Highest wind was 70 kmh.

    Are we expecting more?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,357 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    Jennie O’Sullivan just said on Radio that it’s expected to get worse in Cork?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Goldfinch8


    Gone very calm here near Castlebar. Reckon the eye of Storm Barra must not be too far away.

    Barra certainly cuts quite an impressive picture in the 13.05 satellite image below.




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