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M6 - Galway City Ring Road [planning decision pending]

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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Please stop with the last sentence. Discussion from now on only about the scheme as approved.



  • Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    Finally!!! Now we can get settled in waiting for the inevitable several years of judicial review to pass.

    It will be great when this finally gets going.



  • Registered Users Posts: 462 ✭✭Limerick74




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    Disappointing. ABP still stuck in the 80s



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,077 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    No, ABP following the laws of the land and correctly awarding permission. It's not up to them to decide national policy.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭citycentre


    Excellent news. Now if only the usual cranks and serial objectors could somehow be stopped from further holding up this absolutely vital piece of infrastructure for Galway. Anyone with an ounce of sense who knows the city knows that without the ring road any notion of creating decent public transport or a properly pedestrianized city core on the existing road network in Galway is doomed to failure. It's a disgrace that Galway is the only city in ROI without any semblance of a bypass / ring road. And it's great that this new road is just one part of a wider and well considered transport strategy. Get it built.



  • Registered Users Posts: 961 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    Step in the right direction. Will take time but need to get the greens out of government for it to progress.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There will be more than 1 taking this forward for judicial review, appeals etc

    It'll be many, many years before this is settled, one way or the other.

    Ironically, the best chance the gluas has is if this is cancelled



  • Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭citycentre


    Well aware that there are many many idiots and collections of idiots lining up to take advantage of the judicial review system. They will hold it up pointlessly and lots of lawyers will make plenty of money but they won't stop it. For such obviously urgent and demonstrably vital infrastructure projects as this (Dublin metro and future Luas projects spring to mind also) there has to be a better way than spurious objections ruining everyone else's quality of life for years to come.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Surprised by the number of posters that think this will happen and that it's still a good idea. There's no way this will get funded and no compelling case for it to go ahead in any case.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They will hold it up pointlessly and lots of lawyers will make plenty of money but they won't stop it.

    Have you ever heard of the Galway Bypass or wondered why it doesn't exist?



  • Registered Users Posts: 961 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    Just as well you weren't around when the wheel was invented. Time to move on. Tree huggers always move on.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Thread title updated.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    There is a large transport budget, it will come out of that. Though construction is years off yet in any case.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    You think distributor roads are a solution for urban congestion despite the modelling data outcomes and experience elsewhere that proves otherwise if you were around in that time, you would still be trying out square designs while the rest of the society develops.



  • Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    I don't think anyone has claimed that the Galway Bypass in isolation will solve Galway's traffic problems. It is simply a key part of the solution.



  • Registered Users Posts: 961 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    We have a growing city, I've known it all my life, it evolves. We cannot pine for the Galway of the 80's or 90's which were even congested then. People need housing, employment and infrastructure. Sitting in increasing traffic congestion everyday trying to pretend it's the Galway of old and that it's ok is a joke. We have to move forward. There's hardly a house to rent in the city at the moment, we have a growing society and just because you and I might be ok there are plenty coming after us who wish to live and work in Galway and not have to sit in traffic all day for the privilage. As someone said earlier many of the same objectors objected to mutton island. In fact that needs to be expanded now and it was t capacity they were objecting too. I



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,874 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Just for a comparison, the Galway Bypass is expected to cost €600 for 18km of road over €33m per km. The N22 Baile Bhuirne to Macroom Road Project costs €280m in total for 22km T2DC through difficult terrain requiring 18 road bridges (some with large spans), 24 accommodation structures. So €12.7m per km.

    The Galway Bypass will cost 2.5 times the cost of a difficult build DC elsewhere. For the same money, we should be getting 50km of DC. I cant see how this will pass Public Spending Code. In truth the benefits will be limited, it will only encourage more car commuting which is at odds with government policy. There are years of legal challenges ahead of this, they'd be better putting €100m into public and active travel now instead of pinning all hopes on a bypass which is still unlikely to happen.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 35 Spiaire


    What would you suggest instead?

    Deliveries by bicycle?


    Taxis by piggy back?



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    This is a poor argument imo. There's always going to be road schemes that cost more per km than others due to various constraints and additional requirements, but that doesn't make them any way less worthwhile. The Dublin Port Tunnel being a prime example here of a scheme, which could have been canned on a per km basis but was built. The DPT is a very unirish project because in most circumstances Ireland would balk at such a scheme.

    Other countries that take infrastructure seriously would build both, simply out of necessity rather than this penny pinching. The idea of budget constraints has gone out of the window in this country so it's not a budgetary issue. The country had no problem shutting down residential construction for 3 months in the first quarter of this year, which if it had been properly scrutinised would have deeply failed a cost benefit analysis.

    On a more general note, not just in reply to the post above, cars aren't disappearing, and Galway isn't going to be redesigned as an active travel utopia no matter how much the anti-car brigade think it will. Build this, put in place strict planning and zoning rules to stop it suffering the same fate as the original road, and remove as much traffic from the city centre itself and the existing N6 through pedestrianisation, bus priority and car bans. There is no other solution here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,874 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    The DPT is a completely different kettle of fish. The question is not cost alone but cost v benefit (hence why I stated what could be delivered instead). The benefits of DPT in terms of removing HGVs from the city centre and facilitating commuter buses, plus toll income, make it worthwhile. They actively discourage cars and there are obviously no intermediate junctions.

    The Galway Bypass is not comparable at all and is designed with commuters in mind. It is to mainly allow people living in or around the city drive to other locations in or around the city. I understand the need for another bridge over the Corrib but the project as designed goes way beyond that, adding hugely to the cost for little benefit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 961 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    I think people that are anti this are in denial that the city is growing and will continue to grow regardless. Can you imagine commuting through Dublin without an M50. The project of trying to stop this is an effort to stop the city growing. It's typical of now that I'm ok I'm going to stop anyone else living in Galway or making a life. Typical An Taise / Green party thinking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,054 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Its the American car culture mindset that says we need more roads, and more roads to bypass those roads.

    A sprawl of "highways" and bypasses each going further than the last. Do you really trust Galway City Council not to allow houses and shopping centres be build beside the new ring road? It will all get incredibly built up inside and outside the ring road, until it becomes just another congested traffic artery like the ones we already have.

    The solution is not to build more roads, it is to utilise existing roads more efficiently. Galway needs proper public transport (and density) - it does not need another distributor road so the parkmore traffic jam can move to the north rather than the south of the estate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    But it isn't though, modelling shows an increase in car journeys as a direct result of the link being built, its counter productive



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Nobody denies that congestion is an issue. But the proposed ring road will not reduce that congestion in the long term. You cannot accommodate cities by building more high capacity roads, those days are gone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Quite simple to fix. Take half of the 600mil that would have been spent on a bypass and use it to build a world class €300m bus and cycling network for Galway and the tiny number of car trips that bypass the city can continue to use the existing N6 and the vast majority of trips can switch to sustainable modes.

    Delivery by bicycle is becoming popular for many Dublin City Centre shops, so yes that also.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Comparison with Dublin Port Tunnel is ridiculous. Its a road that connects the countries biggest port by volume to the motorway network and removed the endless stream of trucks from Dublin City Centre. It saved many lives and lots of emissions. The proposed ring road will increase car usage and will not serve as a strategic link to any port, or any significant trip generator for that matter.


    You say Galway isn't going to become a sustainable transport utopia, well its definitely not going to become an America style centreles road based city. And if we were willing to spend a whopping €600mil, Galway could indeed become such a transport utopia. Freiburg would be jealous. €600mil is a lot of bus and cycling infrastructure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    There will also be an increase in car journeys if the ring road isn't built. That's what happens when a modern city grows by 50%, as Galway is expected to do.

    "Relieving congestion" and "decreasing total car journeys" are two very different goals. Car journeys will inevitably increase as the city grows - this is a natural consequence of population growth. The bypass will allow the city to handle such growth better and create room for more intensive public transport solutions within the city, such as reallocating road space to buses and cyclists etc.

    A massive growth in population means some growth in car journeys, that is a fact of life. We're better off accepting and dealing with that reality than pretending Galway can immediately and severely slash the number of car journeys (even as the city grows by nearly a half) without seriously affecting the people who live or work in and around the city.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    I think you're in denial about more roads simply not solving urban traffic issues as we have seen the world over.



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