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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    The man has a neck on him - it may take a bit more than this to shift him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭piplip87


    He will survive. I don't think the Tory's will put a heave on now, they will wait until COVID and Brexit has calmed down a little.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,913 ✭✭✭buried


    As long as the majority of voters and press keep addressing this gadge as "Boris" as if he's their personal, clownish and pitiful acquaintance, he's going nowhere.

    Make America Get Out of Here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Mezcita


    The UK's collective ability to ignore the antics of their sh.it show government never ceases to amaze me. He'll survive. Teflon Boris.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Oops!


    Bit like ourselves? Perhaps we are not that different after all....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,406 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The whole thing looks so bad it's hard to see how he survives tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,913 ✭✭✭buried


    You are right, we are not. But if we in our country want to be different, one small and simple step to take is to stop addressing our leaders by their first/christian names. Seriously, stop doing it. Stop calling them 'Leo'. Stop calling them 'Mehole'. Stop calling them 'Mary Lou'. Just don't do it. If everyone stopped doing it (there is no actual logical or beneficial reason for any ordinary citizen to do this anyways) the political hucksters, the scammers, the exact same sort of joke of leadership we have here as the ones over there, they would collectively $hit their pants in the space of a week.

    You can be absolutely guaranteed, if the entire mainstream UK tabloid/press in the morning started addressing The UK Prime Minister solely as PM "Johnson" instead of good auld "Boris", Johnson would know he has about 8 hours left in office.

    Make America Get Out of Here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Mezcita


    At least if we want to vote in change we can do it. In the UK Labour skirting around Brexit being a mistake for fear of pissi.ng off the red wall won't get them anywhere. Two party system with the Tories making mistake after mistake with any consequences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,696 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Just for the record the conservative majority in the last election in North Shropshire in 2019 was 22,949 votes. Now obviously the reasons behind this by election will play a part in that being reduced, but you’d think that the conservatives will be watching the margin if they hold or lose the seat because by elections are always referred to as a referendum on a government, and while this one result even if the tories lose the seat, won’t make someone challenge the prime minister but it might make them realise that they need to cop on.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    It won't. British politics is well and truly broken.

    This is why I much prefer coalitions to single party majorities. If the Taoiseach did this with his officials and a few FF'ers there's no possible way that FG and the Greens could stay in government with them.

    I would be very surprised if anything happened as a result of this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Who's behind him is the worry.

    British PMs by convention will have had to have served at one of the "great offices of the State"

    Let's take a look at the candidates:

    Former Foreign Secretary / Dep. PM - Dominic Raab: Boilerplate public schoolboy to Oxbridge conveyer belt specimen, has all the pieces of paper but has led a charmed political life and hasn't really achieved anything. Term as Foreign Secretary characterized by a chaotic relationship with Europe. One of the Brexit bunglers. Don't normally go in for this thing but seriously pale, male and stale.

    Exchequer - Rishi Sunak: High achiever and good 'by the bootstraps' immigrant family story. Plenty of ability and would be powerful symbolically. Ex-Goldman Sachs though, and married into a seriously influential Indian billionaire family which could prove problematic.

    Former Exchequer - Sajid Javid: Even better immigrant family done good story than Sunak. Grew up in a right shithole in Rochdale, made his way up the ladder to Deutsche Bank and into Westminster. Got a demotion from Boris for defying him over something minor. Was a remainer but was eurosceptic in his youth. Muslim background but not practicing. Best and most realistic pick IMO.

    Home Secretary - Priti Patel: No. This woman would drag the UK and external bilateral and EU relation to new lows. Thinks she's Thatcher reborn. Her reputation as a well-known bully of staffers may not spook the wider Tory party and sully her reputation but it should.

    Current Foreign Secretary - Liz Truss: Lacks profile, has some sort of dogmatic free-enterprise ethos with all the concomitant axioms. Had an affair years ago (I don't care, but does the Tory party?)

    Former Foreign Secretary - Jeremy Hunt: Second go at the cherry? Unlikely. Wife is Chinese, he called her Japanese on a trip to Beijing. Scarlet for him. Seems terribly boring.

    Outside shot - Rory Stewart: Never was minister at any of the "Great offices", but surely the most thoughtful and intellectual of the field. Likely former MI6 officer (probably, though he denies it and his father was known to be second in command of the agency), speaks multiple languages, firm remainer and harsh critic of the way Brexit was executed. Ran an NGO and renowned travel author. Real renaissance man and a throwback. Defender of hedgehogs. Out of place in the modern Tory movement and unlikely to get a fair hearing. Resigned from the Tories and sits as an independent, Boris exit may see him back into the party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,870 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    It's clear the tide has finally turned against him but can't see him going anywhere just yet.

    The media even the pro conservative ones are being pretty critical.

    One interesting little story is that the inoy rag that isn't covering the parties is the s#n. Who seemingly had a big Christmas party themselves during lockdown on the same night in Dec 2020....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    "Wife is Chinese, he called her Japanese on a trip to Beijing".


    😆 thats amazing.


    Prince Phillip tier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,211 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    I'd have a morbid curiosity to see Priti Patel as PM in the same way I might have done when Trump's 2016 campaign was just getting going, probably best it doesn't happen so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭seenitall


    That’ll never happen, especially not in Ireland. The Irish have a very parochial mindset, for better and worse. Example: the parish pump politics. The Irish like to feel they “know” their politicians and that they could verbally take them down a peg or two when needed. And when you want to do that, you’d be on the back foot starting with (Mr) Martin or Varadkar instead of plain old Mehole and Leo. I don’t think you’ll be able to change that tradition.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,601 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    The fact that so many of his own backbenchers are moving against him is ominous. His administration has been a circus since Cummings departed, to be frank about it. I think its becoming apparent to the wider parliamentary party that there isn't much substance behind Johnson whatsoever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,870 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    No chance she is not liked at all....Rishi Sunak feels like the most likely successor to me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,177 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Someone is definitely moving against him.

    Look at all the stories and scandals that have slipped out against him recently. The party was a year ago but we hear now just after the "sleaze" scandal, the MoD whistleblower and all as Covid is getting worse



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    He should be toast but probably won't be for a while. As yurt says above who is coming behind him. I wonder would the likes of Gove make a move against him when he sees the opportunity. Gove is every bit as sinister as Johnson and from our perspective has no particular love for Ireland. He was against the GFA. I only hope Labour can get their act together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,982 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Majority? What % of votes did they get. We complain here about elections but there’s is crazy votes compared to % of house



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,963 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It's common every where, maybe you need to broaden your horizons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,041 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I still cannot get over how the comic relief guy from three seasons ago is now the main lead running the show.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,963 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Labour are trying to get its act together but alot of the party activists have absolutely no interest in power.


    The main ace card for the Tories on the doorstep is pointing at Labour.


    That's on Labour.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,601 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    He has thrown plenty of people under the bus, that eventually comes back to haunt you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,928 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    The way he flatly give zero fooks about Cummingsgate and his attitude to this current party problem leads me to believe he ain't going anywhere.

    He is dangerous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,109 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Rory Stewart is not even an MP anymore, nor is he in the Lords (there was a Tory leader and PM from the Lords in the 60s, it can happen).

    As for the Great Offices - Blair hadn't. Thatcher hadn't. May be a case that you need it to be a short term leader! Johnson's term in one was brief.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Ah, I thought he retained his seat as an independent. My error.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,177 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's his back bench that decide not him and they are seeing numbers turn badly. In fact Major is the only Tory PM of my lifetime to be taken out by the electorate the other 3 were pushed, resigned or both



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,307 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    He's not Robert Mugabe; if his party turns against him he has to go



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,963 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The Tories like being in power, as soon as they think Johnson is putting that at risk he is gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,893 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    If you have no morals you can survive anything, so he'll be fine, as he doesn't give a fck



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,733 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    There was a time a few decades ago when a UK politicians were very quick to resign if there was any hint of scandal.

    Whereas here they would get all sorts of backing from party members and the party leader and it was only when more and more came out that they would step aside.

    Now it seems the other way round



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Oops!




  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Merriongate was a complete mess where people involved at least claim to have believed there was nothing wrong. I can't remember the restrictions that were in place at the time to be honest but I know the government 'clarified' this later.

    Golfgate I don't know what point you're making? The only government minister there resigned after it broke and the EU Commissioner resigned as well.

    Both events are completely different to a party of 40 or 50 people being held at the Prime Minister's residence during a full lockdown, which wasn't in place when Merriongate or Golfgate happened.



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  • Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    the Prime minister's residence is a flat on the third floor of No11.

    The Party that is claimed to have happened, was not attended by any ministers or MPs, just members of staff who worked within the offices of Downing street.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,797 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If we want to place bets on an outside successor to Johnson, Rees-Mogg might be just awful enough to reach the latter stages of a leadership contest. Rees-Mogg would be Johnson 2.0 I think, he is pretty influential within the party through his role in the ERG

    He's never been given a ministerial role of any note, so if he has any ambition to do anything other than sneer from the sidelines, he might put himself forward in a leadership race or back someone of his ilk, like Michael Gove

    If Priti Patel or Michael Gove get anywhere near Number 10, then it would be a very very dark time ahead for the UK, not sure which of those 2 I despise more, but Patel does seem less shy about exposing her nasty side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    Probably not.

    Boris Johnson has managed to get away with his terrible handling of the COVID pandemic so this won't make much of a difference.

    Unless the UK gets a competent opposition party (frankly the SNP would be the best opposition if they ever ran for seats in England) nothing will change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,751 ✭✭✭quokula


    You're comparing events that were attended by some politicians in a private capacity, which happened during Summer when infection rates were very low and restrictions were loose and there were enough grey areas for attendees to reasonably claim they didn't know guidelines were not followed, with a party organised and held right in the seat of power at the height of a full winter lockdown in a country that had been suffering death numbers far in excess of anything Ireland had experienced.

    And in the case of the Irish events people were held to account and some lost their jobs, while we've seen nothing but lying and scapegoating in Westminster.



  • Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ignoring your inaccuracies, my original point that members of all parties would be at the party still stands right?

    nd err, no one from any government parties were really held to account, as usual.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,963 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    He is well holed below water and while it may not end him, it does mark the beginning of the end.


    He'll be lucky to last 12 months.


    Patel will appeal to working class communities with a lot of her views to date but needs to deliver in them, as ever the over leaning towards free market dogmatism is a threat.


    Sunak is probably hard to beat and has it sown up.


    The next mess by Johnson is quickly approaching, whatever it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,177 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    if any ministers or MPs had attendedm the Mirror would have splashed their name all over the front page.by now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,177 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    You assume.

    Also there was no party but I'm sure MPs were not at the party that never happened. You are so whipped you will just repeat everything they say ad nauseam



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what the not so subtle reference is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,307 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    If Mr and Mrs Johnson come walking down Downing St tomorrow with the new baby in a pram then he’s back in the game!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    Seriously. If he ends up resigning then it’s a straight fight between Sunak and Patel with Sunak the easy winner. Patel hasn’t had enough success stopping the dingies from leaving Dunkirk. She’s not likeable either. Boris is still there long after he should have been gone because, like it or not, he’s impossible to hate…unless you’re a deranged Corbynite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,684 ✭✭✭✭mickdw




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    I didn't realise Michael Gove was of Asian heritage as well or maybe Danzy just ignored him just to try and get a dig at Akrasia to try and make it look like a racist remark although that would be unbelievably stupid if that was the case.



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