VW ID.4

Black_Knight · 06-12-2021 5:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278320#Comment_118278320

It can't be warmed from driving

You're wrong there. The current draw from driving warms it. Hence, driving warms it.

No idea if/how/when the heater kicks in, but given the ID software, it's probably random. Would be nice to be able to preheat/heat the battery on demand. I've had times when I know i'm going on a longer drive, and need to fast charge but won't have range/time to drive enough to warm the battery, so I arrive at a HPC and get 70kW. If I could preheat the battery even at a sacrifice of some % SOC it'd save me time at the charger.

cannco253 · 06-12-2021 6:40pm

AFAIK

If you preheat the car when it's plugged in it only heats the cabin.

If you preheat the car when it's not plugged in it heats the cabin and the battery and you see very high consumption.

If you don't preheat the car and it's plugged in nothing gets heated.

I suppose if you have the time you could go with option 2 and after say 20 minutes plug the car back in again or work out if you have enough range to get to your destination or fast charger and charge there if needed.

06-12-2021 6:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278724#Comment_118278724

Yeah, would be nice to have preheat function, not sure it will happen or even that they will change charging speed for winter driving, probably have to buy a new car lol.

My experience with driving the id3 now is that the battery hardly warms at all beyond the 12-13 preheat temp, on my Trip from Dublin-Carlow-Galway on Friday the battery was only around 12 deg C even after some 120 Km/hr from Kilbeggan.

Heroditas · 06-12-2021 10:55pm

I contacted the dealership today to see if there was an update on the id4 I stuck a deposit down for about 5 weeks ago.

I was told it's looking like Build Week 14 for mine to get underway. Apparently all the Life models are looking like being completed and delivered in Feb while the Family orders are coming behind them.

Fingers crossed anyway.

Faiche Ro · 07-12-2021 10:10am

I tried using Ionity chargers for the first time recently but could not get it working with the WeCharge card.

The card is active. has anyone else had any issues like this?

Thanks

the_amazing_raisin · 07-12-2021 11:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118282376#Comment_118282376

Might be worth asking over in the ID.3 forum, the 1st movers there have some more experience using Ionity since they got the free credit

Did you try starting the charging session from the app? Might tell you if it's a card issue

07-12-2021 11:31am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118282376#Comment_118282376

I tried using ionity with my id3 tour 5 on Sunday, wouldn't work with the app, have no fob/card, had to be remote activated, this was in Athlone, Tesla driver had the same issue.

The lady on the phone said to always make sure connect the car at the very last moment, use the app/fob first then connect car. I don't remember if I did it this way to be honest but might be worth mentioning.

I got 60 Kw from Ionity starting at 34% compared to 50 Kw from the ESB 150 Kw in Galway Plaza. Same battery temp.

Moral of the story is if plugging in at 35+ % there is no point paying more to use a 150 Kw ESB charger, you will be as well off on the 50 Kw. This is really sad and I hope VW will fix this.

Bobeagleburger · 07-12-2021 12:04pm

Is the ID4 much roomier than a Skoda Octavia in the back seats?

I know they are slightly wider, but wondering has anyone real world experience of that comparison. Thanks.

cannco253 · 07-12-2021 1:40pm

Chris @batterylife talked about battery heating in 3.0 on Sunday

I'm paraphrasing a bit but

"in the new update in March (3.0) battery heating will be done in steps and not the full 6kW (20% of power, then 40% 60% 80%, etc), the further you drive the higher the % battery heating used. If you only take a short trip (10km) it will not preheat the battery, but there should be a button so if you want it you press the button, if you don't want it you leave it off. It should do it automatically but you should be able to override it"

A button would definitely be nice, but I'm sure it would confuse a lot of people.

cannco253 · 07-12-2021 3:08pm

For anyone using evnotify and can see the battery temperature (again from batterylife)

Battery heating turns on when the battery is under 7 degrees up to 13 degrees.

If you can see that the the battery is 8 degrees you should in theory be able to stop the car, get out, and then restart the car. Battery heater should not come on unless temperature drops again (I'm not sure fast this would happen). Might be worth trying as a proof of concept but otherwise pretty useless and a waste of time.

Disappointing that whatever updates are promised, in reality they won't make any difference until this time next year.

On a different note, has anyone here got an ID with a heat pump? Can't remember if they were available a year ago or not.

eagerv · 07-12-2021 3:28pm

Edit, wrong thread..

07-12-2021 7:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118283766#Comment_118283766

Lol, there's a lot of people out there who can't use auto climate control !

It's really rather simple.

You could have auto battery condition, Manual Battery condition with sub menu, enable battery heater which would heat the battery for normal use for max regen and acceleration/range and another option to enable battery heater 30 mins prior to arriving at destination which could mean that if this option is selected as a permanent option it will auto heat the battery 30 mins prior to arriving at destination automatically when using google maps or the id nav software, either/or and enable it all the time without having to re-enable it manually every trip, might be trickier to implement with google maps/Android auto/ car play.

I should be working for VW ! lol

Padraig Mor · 07-12-2021 11:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118284476#Comment_118284476

1st Max had a heat pump IIRC.

cannco253 · 08-12-2021 11:01am

I might have posted this before, but the NHTSA has some detailed documents available on the ID.4

The High-Voltage System is well worth a read, in particular the section on Thermal Management

The High-Voltage System in the ID.4

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2021/MC-10186407-0001.pdf

cannco253 · 08-12-2021 4:19pm

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/volkswagen/id-4/fpa/202010205222236?journey=Search

€46,950
12,309 km

I know I shouldn't be surprised by this, but.....

(It's not my car)

pad199207 · 08-12-2021 11:24pm

Can a dealer hit you because of the extra mileage that has been done on the trade in because of the delay in the ID 4?

Black_Knight · 09-12-2021 9:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118290967#Comment_118290967

Not the first "for profit" ID4 sale I've seen. Makes sense, well spec'd and any ID4 near their spec is thousands more and months of delays.

handpref · 09-12-2021 9:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293302#Comment_118293302

No- the price of your trade in will be listed on the quote.

Should be something like €50,000-€18,000 for trade in- balance €32,000 (less deposit).

The balance is what you pay, they agreed a trade in price to get you to place the order and your deposit locked in that price. It also saves you paying the price increases that came in October and January 2022.

pad199207 · 09-12-2021 3:57pm

Thank you. Mine says MY22 but what does that actually mean?

Alfagtamini · 09-12-2021 4:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118290967#Comment_118290967

Since this is posted here i might as well mention my own ID4

Im getting a Tesla model 3 in January and debating whether to go full EV and sell the other half's ICE or sell the ID4.

Its a ID4 1st in blue, registered in April 2021, currently 22k KM rising daily.

Never given any problems bar the software glitches mentioned in this thread

Im really on the fence on whether to keep it or sell it.

If anyone is interested send me a PM

Black_Knight · 09-12-2021 5:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118296373#Comment_118296373

If it were me, and I was being pragmatic, it'd depend on how much use the ICE car gets, or would get if the ID4 was sold. Currently, they're commanding a great resale price, and you could actually come out with a profit if you're lucky.

If my ICE car was rarely used, why would I replace that with a rarely used 40k+ car. I'd sell the ID4 and keep the ICE.

If my ICE car was my primary car (family sized SUV/Estate) i'd probably keep the ID.4, though i'd probably not buy a model 3 unless I was planning on driving it a lot.

We had a similarish scenario when we got the ID4. We had a hyundai Ioniq, and my wifes ICE. Ioniq was always driven, ICE not so much. Wife suggested maybe selling the ICE and she'd take the Ioniq. The ICE was the less valuable of the 2, so it was going to depreciate less (funny enough, the Ioniq is probably worth more now than what I sold it for), so we kept the ICE. It's not moved 1 inch since the ID.4 was brought home.

Mr Q · 09-12-2021 5:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118282376#Comment_118282376

I got a WeCharge card with my ID.3 and the first time I needed to use it it would not work at Ionity Kill North. The support line started the session remotely and it was free. But not a good first impression.

I have not been at that location since then but it worked at the other Ionity I used, Gorey, and any other provider I tried the card with since then.

Could have just been a temporary issue and not related to the car or your card.

cannco253 · 09-12-2021 6:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118249630#Comment_118249630

Anyone see this yet on the android app? Supposed to be live now

ted1 · 09-12-2021 7:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118204279#Comment_118204279

Any source for this ?

my build date is the 15th December, so week 50.5!! I had hoped to get it with the changes.

Black_Knight · 09-12-2021 7:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118297288#Comment_118297288

ID drivers Facebook group post. Twas a screenshot from VW I think.

pad199207 · 09-12-2021 7:40pm

This is on our list of equipment.

If Version 3 isn’t even released yet how on earth will mine be version 4?

ted1 · 09-12-2021 7:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118297472#Comment_118297472

I haven’t got a list. :( did you get them from your build number?

Decoda · 09-12-2021 8:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118297288#Comment_118297288

Was in with my dealer yesterday, order placed in October for Pro 77kWh Business and due to start manufacture next week. In October I was able to spec it with the black dash but I don't know about any of the other changes, whether they'd be included or not.

I see that the brochure has now been updated from MY2022 1st October 2021 to MY2022 1st January 2022. Charging capacity is up to 135kW DC. Can't see any obvious differences in my spec apart from the price,(increased from €51,130 to €52,595)....The ID4 GTX Max is €72,180 OTR price....wow...

pad199207 · 09-12-2021 8:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118297567#Comment_118297567

A list eventually appears on the MyVolkswagen portal for your car

Alfagtamini · 09-12-2021 9:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118296803#Comment_118296803

Thanks for your reply.

Ill be doing around 1000km a week starting next week. Hence the upgrade to the Tesla.

For a few reasons , autopilot to lessen the driving burden

Supercharger is perfectly located for when I need to do a longer drive once a week. Plus I find the drivers seat in the id4 quiet uncomfortable on longer drives.

The ice car is probably worth half the value of the id4. Driven 100km a week if that.

The sensible thing would be to sell both and buy a gen 1 leaf! But my better half would not allow that :)

VW ID.4

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