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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XII (The Byrne Supremacy)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    If Hansen and Larmour are approximately equidistant from the corner post, and Larmour heads for the corner, then the touchline could come into play.



  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    If you check the likes of the IRFU facebook etc you will see plenty wanted Lowe out of the Irish squad. Plenty of people said he wasn't fit to step up to international level and I am sure if you could search this website people probably had the same on here.

    Sorry yes watching back he was further in the field that I remembered. But review below,

    2.36 of this video. Larmour collect the ball and has 2 Connacht players going at pace towards him. Both coming to meet him before the try line. Carty is between Lowe & Ringrose out of the picture really.

    Go to 2.38 when Larmour steps. Hansen is now gone and not able to tackle him anymore

    Let it play now and the other Connacht player is wrong footed and Larmour evades easily

    It is actually Carty who has come over and puts the tackle in on Larmour before he scores. Fair play to Carty for tracking back

    From my point of view that was excellent play, if he continued on running at pace without the step he was going to have two Connacht players tackling him before the try line. If you go back to when Keenan throws the ball, it was too early, he should have kept it and drew at least one of the Connacht players onto him and then threw the pass. As he didn't that is why Larmour ended up with two players with the ability to catch him before the line

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgyQSRl6WkU



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Was it lucky?

    Like, if you can step players like Larmour can, why wouldn't you back yourself?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    it looks to me he steps the two players and squeezes through for the try. Was a bit risky but if it’s successful then I think you have to give him credit not criticism



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,106 ✭✭✭✭Interested Observer


    It actually was not good play from Keenan imo, he didn't fix Hansen at all so he left Larmour with plenty left to do. Keenan passed far too early imo and Larmour did very well from that point. Are we seriously having a go at him for scoring?


    Also - claiming Lowe was at fault for Jordan's try against Ireland is a load of nonsense. He was marking 2 players. He can drift out more and either leave a massive gap between himself and Ringrose or just get passed around. Stop this video at 2s, look at the lay of the land and explain what he should have done differently.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvz-rv55dg0



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  • Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Lsdrugbyfan


    the problem isn't that he has a step, the problem is that he lacks top end pace.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Christ this is awful stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭Former Former Former




  • Registered Users Posts: 10,495 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Larmour seems to look to step too often at times, when he'd be better served to just run and attack a gap.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I’ve previously been a critic of Lowe, and often disagreed with you, IO, but I think this is spot on tbh.

    He was way more decisive and made better decisions in those kind of positions over the Autumn. There were a number of examples of him getting those kind of things wrong during the 6 Nations.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    What exactly is "top end pace"? in the video above how would you say he hasn't pace?



  • Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Lsdrugbyfan


    of course he has pace, in that video you can see many examples where he stops accelerating after 10m and is caught or almost caught from behind.. he is fast by most standards but for a top level international wing he lacks that top % to be elite.



  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    Sorry but that makes zero sense and this so called "top end pace" is make believe stuff



  • Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Lsdrugbyfan


    it's called being fast, some players are faster than others, you understand that as a concept I hope?

    Larmour is faster over 10m than 40m, so he lacks that elite speed in comparison top wingers such as Jonny May etc.

    And it's why he often fails to score when he has a straight line sprint to score so he needs to make a cut or put some footwork on as opposed to run away from his competition.



  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    It's an imaginary yard stick which you can't prove. You have no idea if they stuck Larmour and May on a track which one would be faster.

    When was Larmour caught from behind when he made a break? I can't remember him getting caught



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Not a break per se, but one moment that springs to mind was in the RWC when Japan made the intercept break towards the end of the game. One of their wingers was away. Larmour started closer to him but Earls beat him back to make the cover tackle.

    And this was the 77th minute where Earls had started the game, and Larmour had come on as a sub.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭TRC10


    On the Keenan passing thing..

    He was right to throw the pass when he did. The angles of the strike play dictated that he received the ball on a drift, and any more steps he took would have eaten up Larmours space. He was absolutely right to feed Larmour early and give him as much time and space as possible to finish. Delaying it any longer would have allowed the Connacht defence to get across.

    Lowe's try v NZ was similar. Keenan didn't fix the last man, but he knew that Lowe 1-on-1 from 5 yards out is always going to score, so instead of eating up his space just for the sake of fixing a man, he fed him early and Lowe did the rest.

    I know people always say to fix your man but sometimes when you're drifting into the winger's space, are that close to the tryline and the scramble defence is getting across, the best thing to do is give the pass early and trust your winger to finish.

    Keenan's timing of pass is world class.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    Agreed. The whole move is going crossfield. Fixing the man wasn't the best thing to try in the circumstances if they wanted to retain forward momentum in the move.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,762 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Agreed. And Larmour did the right thing too. There were multiple defenders pushing across into the space dead ahead. By cutting back inside he was always going to have the advantage because he was hitting soft shoulders. People have said Robbs tackle was a bad one. Robb couldn’t have done any better because Larmour had come back inside and targeted Robbs inside shoulder as Robb was pushing across. He was never set to make a tackle. Ever.


    Larmour’s a guy who is well capable of finishing those opportunities. He knew it and he did finish it. There’s micro analysis and then there’s nit picking. Anyone complaining about that score in anyway is definitely, definitely nit picking. At best. It was a really well constructed and well finished try. I simply can’t see anything wrong with it at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Lsdrugbyfan


    Leinster Rugby are assisting three senior players who have tested positive for Covid-19.

    All three players were tested outside the PCR testing window and are now self-isolating.

    Further PCR testing was carried out at Leinster Rugby yesterday morning on 94 players, coaches and staff and 93 tests returned negative results, with one further positive result for a member of staff.

    The HSE has been informed in accordance with public health guidelines.

    The Leinster Rugby squad will take part in the captain’s run later on today ahead of tomorrow’s Heineken Champions Cup game against Bath Rugby at Aviva Stadium.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Squeaky bum time now so....

    I assume they'll name a squad at midday still and pray that they get go further positives before KO tomorrow...



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭TRC10


    It would be so typical if Harry Byrne was one of the four.

    Ffs



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,364 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Well it was comedy gold when it was Munster but now it’s serious.

    This is a pain but unfortunately we’re going to see a lot of it over the next while.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    Imagine it was the 2 brothers... Frawley to 10.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,658 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    Being fast over 10m is far far more important for rugby players than being fast over 40m.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Absolutely.

    But's its the players that have both that stand apart at the highest level.

    Even look at Larmours wonder try in Thomond a few years back. Zebo caught him and caught him well and he was lucky to score it. Larmour is lethal in the pace of his change of direction and initial burst but lacks the raw sprinting pace



  • Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Lsdrugbyfan




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,047 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Leinster Rugby v Bath (caps in brackets):

    15. Hugo Keenan (35)

    14. Jordan Larmour (66)

    13. Garry Ringrose (91)

    12. Ciarán Frawley (41)

    11. James Lowe (56)

    10. Ross Byrne (110)

    9. Jamison Gibson-Park (105)

    1. Andrew Porter (81)

    2. Rónan Kelleher (29)

    3, Tadhg Furlong (117)

    4. Ross Molony (122)

    5. Ryan Baird (33)

    6. Rhys Ruddock (195) CAPTAIN

    7. Josh van der Flier (103)

    8. Caelan Doris (44)

    Replacements:

    16. Dan Sheehan (18)

    17. Cian Healy (237)

    18. Michael Ala’alatoa (6)

    19. Devin Toner (270)

    20. Max Deegan (70)

    21. Luke McGrath (157)

    22. Jimmy O’Brien (37)

    23. Tommy O’Brien (12)


    Great to have JGP back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Lsdrugbyfan




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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,172 ✭✭✭✭Clegg




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