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My Bungalow Bliss

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,887 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Just to clarify re the foundations.

    It is quite common what they found.

    I only scanned through that program but I believe it was a house with external wall build off a footing and internals built off the subfloor.

    This is very common for 70s and 80s builds and is a recipe for disaster.

    This wouldn't be referred to as a raft in the industry.

    What they did was take everything inside the external walls out and re did the floor and internal walls from new footings upwards.

    What surprised me most was the house appeared to be build from single leaf hollow blockwork. Considering that walltype, the need to remove all floors and the structural work they did to carry roof, I would tend to suggest demolition day one might have been just as cost efficient. Looking at the roof they left behind, I'd be very disappointed and the polished conc looked all over the shop considering gaps under skirting.

    Must rewatch to look at the detail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    I noticed a bit of an irregular gap alright, on the units just inside the front door.

    Isn't concrete for polished floors poured at a higher spec, with less variation in height?

    Otherwise it's a lot more work to grind and polish, which would obviously cost more to do.


    No way I can rewatch it, just can't deal with the ads on the player.

    Are there any detailed photos online of this project?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Radio5


    One thing I never like in a house is having the front door opening directly into a room, in this case into the main living/kitchen/dining room. Basically everyone coming into the house has to come into this room which isn't great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Ah yeah, just spotted that it was Stone Seal who did the polished concrete. They would usually work with who ever is pouring the concrete, to make sure it's the spec that they need.



  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,441 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    I'd say for My Bungalow Bliss the client pays the architects.

    I image on Room to Improve Dermot Bannon provides his services for free. It's his show and it acts like an advertisement for his practice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,431 ✭✭✭leath_dub


    What's in it for the client, then? RTE are making a programme out of them, selling adverts on the back of it. No doubt the orogramme will be sold on overseas in time as well, making another revenue stream. With all the hassle of film crews, etc - why would you do it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,233 ✭✭✭enricoh


    A lot of the architects would be on a percentage of the building costs, what's not to like if it goes over budget!

    They would have been miles better off knocking it. Nice views from the site, you don't get that in a new 3 bed estate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    I like the show. They are hardly going to put a house onto it with someone spending 20k to upgrade it with a lick of paint and some insulation.

    It was always going to be a go big or go home. I watched the first episode and will watch the second, before I even turned it on I knew what I was in for so not sure why people watch just to complain.



  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,441 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    Not really sure. There might be a small contribution from the production company?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    I expect RTE are paying for the architects. That's the way I took it, no chance the people could afford for 3 architect companies to review and give options



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭Trondheim


    I don't want to derail this thread, but i would love to know what you did.

    Any chance you would start another thread and detail the work you had done, choices you made, starting and finishing BER etc.?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,715 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    What I couldn't believe is the third bedroom has the washer and dryer in according to the plan. No utility area designed in . Crazy at that price.

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It would be useful as that’s where I'm at with a 1950s cottage, and just starting to consider what to do. I follow a couple of good resources on FB:

    cottageology-Irish cottage renovation and appreciation

    self build and renovations ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    You are talking about Home Rescue, which is on RTE as well and I like it but then again I like getting some hints and tips

    For BER improvements most of that is available online and depends on what you want to implement, just because a BER moves up doesn't mean you are getting a hueg advantage. Like my house when I bought it was so low down, even just sticking in bulbs etc jumped it up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    I done mine up, circa 100k in the end but not finished.....updated without a massive knocking of interior/exterior walls plus jumping to a B2 BER



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭techman1


    "Just to clarify re the foundations.

    It is quite common what they found.

    I only scanned through that program but I believe it was a house with external wall build off a footing and internals built off the subfloor.

    This is very common for 70s and 80s builds and is a recipe for disaster."

    Why is it a disaster, the house has stood there since the 1970s and no issues? If it is quite common surely it is not a problem , there are no complaints of houses crumbling away like the mica ones in Donegal ?

    Many older houses were built throughout the country with little or no foundations and they are still standing. Surely if a bungalow has stood there for half a century and has no issues then it is ok, why the need to spend a fortune ripping out foundations

    Why is it a disaster?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,887 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Well I've dealt with a few of these from that era. It's a recipe for disaster as the very bad ones where poor underfloor fill was used have resulted in floor and internal walls sinking in use.

    The better ones where the floor is somewhat suitable to build off can fair ok but even so, additional loads from roof etc at certain positions can again lead to heavy cracking and failures.

    Even where all has faired ok for 40 years, when you go to open up these houses, you can run into bother as I certainly cannot sign off on building load bearing walls off an unknown slab. If you then cut the slab to install footing under new wall positions, you will have totally broken any load bearing capacity of the slab and may even cause structural failure at nearby walls that were built off it.

    You can walk yourself into a situation you have to either carry whole roof from external walls with only stud work inside or alternatively dig out everything inside of external walls and start again.

    Houses built with all walls brought up from footings give lots more options re alterations as steel beams can be run from most walls and in general you have multiple options to get to end result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Is there any good youtube videos or channels to learn how houses are built?

    To be honest I didn't even know all walls were built down to the foundations. So the raft foundation goes in, then all walls are built and then floor is poured in?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I wouldn't have thought so.

    I think there's a bunch of architects there giving opinions but they all eventually get one project each to fill their boots.

    Electric Ireland sponsor the program so maybe they get help with some assessments or small grants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I heard yer man last night say it was future proofed yet I doubt they installed cable for electric car charger.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,887 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    There are 2 traditional types of foundation.

    Raft or strip footings.

    Raft is basically where the clay is dug out, stone fill brought in and design concrete slab poured in top. All walls are built off this. Floor insulation plumbing and floor screed later installed inside.

    Strip footings are basically where the ground is dug out down to solid under each wall. Concrete foundation poured at solid. Blockwork built up to floor level, concrete sub floor poured and house build up from there with similar insulation' plumbing etc installed later.

    These 70s houses had a halfway house type setup. Just the outer rectangle of the house would be dug down to solid. Foundation under outer walls, Floor poured over varying standard of fill material then all internal walls built off floor. This would be an excellent system if the floor slab was supported on outer walls and slab designed to carry all loads from structure over. This was not the case. The floor typically buts up to external walls and is not supported off wall and these slabs were never designed and we're intended to be ground supported. If fill material is sub standard, the whole system falls down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    So for a raft foundation you'd have hardcore on top, sand, radon barrier etc. Then sub floor and on top you have insulation and then floor screed? What level is the plumbing at?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,887 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Hardcore build up topped off with a smaller compacting stone. Sand blinding, radon barrier, concrete raft which is structural slab and subfloor. On top of that you would have insulation and concrete screed.

    Insulation could be 150mm or so. Plumbing can be hidden in insulation with under floor heating pipes on top of insulation within the floor screed.

    There are alot of newer construction methods now but of the traditional builds, this is how it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭gooner99


    On offer (Unless the offer changed at a later date) was a 50% reduction of the architects fees. Architect's fees are usually a percentage of the build. I know some have fixed fees, but I believe most RIAI would work on percentage.Not sure if that's a percentage of initial budget, start of build budget, or final cost. Maybe someone here knows how that works?

    The other perk on offer was the hope that some suppliers/trades/specialists would cut a deal for TV exposure. I'm sure some might, but many probably wouldn't care less. Thoughts?

    Retrofit/SEAI grants were available, as they are available to anyone who qualifies in any case. Electric Ireland appear to have been brought on board at some point for the deep retrofit aspect which was good as not every part of Ireland has easy access to a company that organises full retrofits at present. Again it's possible that Electric Ireland offered something when they were brought on board as show sponsors.

    There was no mention of support from the producers for taking part. Again, this may have changed later.

    I think the show linked below (if produced) will make much better TV.

    https://m.independent.ie/life/dream-ofbuilding-your-own-home-eco-builder-harrison-gardnerwants-to-show-you-how-for-a-new-rte-series-40334313.html

    Post edited by gooner99 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭pureirish




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    If you're genuinely interested in general building principles of older houses, you should check out this book, it used to be on the leaving cert construction studies course, and indeed it was still relevant when I was in college (dating myself here, but circa 1997)

    https://www.wob.com/en-ie/books/r-chudley/construction-technology-volume-1/9780582420366?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIp66fuenY9AIVFeztCh1UTgXhEAQYAiABEgJc8_D_BwE#GOR003019474


    for just over a tenner, you cant go wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭myate


    Leave it with me & I'll see if I can get something going!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    It's not a disaster. In reality if a house has stood that long it ain't going to move now. You will find bungalow all over Ireland with the same setup and have stood 50 years and will stand another 50 years. Look at people converting old houses and barns into modern houses. Do you think they will meet the exact spec that an engineer will have?

    One other method to help in this situation is what they done in week 1. Instead of filling a roof full of heavy tiles, then use lighter roofing so the weight of the roof is reduced.

    Please note I am not telling anyone to do or don't do any of the above. It's your own decision in the end



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    It's a bungalow. TO run a cable is extremely easy. Especially now as you can connect directly into the main box.

    When I installed it wasn't allowed so you just go straight up into the attic, run it across and out. Boom.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭gooner99




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