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Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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  • Registered Users Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Alias G


    What are the chances that such open access will invite anti social behaviour into the graveyard at night. Drinking and vandalism would not go down too well I imagine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    TBF I think it's you who has the intention to 'shoehorn' in the 'elderly argument' at any opportunity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭Dowee


    No doubt "cycling activists" will be blamed if that occurs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    You read what you want to read into a post, I go back again to what I explained; I was not 'shoehorning' the 'elderly argument' as you call it, can't be clearer than what I explained earlier - context of a valuable service provided by Supervalu in Ranelagh to many people some of whom are elderly and can't cycle therefore walk/drive - that doesn't need data or backup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭Dowee


    So it's ok to damage public property and break the law, all because they provide a valauble service to people (some of whom are elderly) for which they are paid for and make a tidy profit from. Is that your point?



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    So what? What relevance does that have to anything? No one is suggesting the store is forcibly shut.



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    Point was and is Council would have been better reaching a solution/compromise with Supervalu Ranelagh when making cycle lane 24hrs



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    Ah here... this is going into twilight zone....who is saying 'store is forcibly shut'? No idea what this post means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,466 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    I'd ask again, is there something stopping Supervalu using a smaller van that either can access the car park or the existing loading bay? Rather than paying lip service to environmental issues on their website/ in store.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭DoraDelite


    Musgraves have a logistics division, it's literally peoples jobs to ensure that they can deliver to all types of stores in varied locations. The fact that they are unwilling to do that is nothing to do with the council. The fact they have been getting away with it for years with no enforcement means they'll keep doing it. If there was enforcement they would change their practices fairly sharpish. It's crazy that multi-million (or even billion) corporations have managed to convince the public that it's the councils fault that they are parked illegally for deliveries.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    So what is the relevance of the shop providing services to elderly people? They can continue to do that, they should just stop breaking the law in order to get their deliveries.



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    Back to my point that a person reads what they want to read into a post; I didn't 'make out' that anybody was going to starve or something (your word), didn't suggest anybody was being prevented from entering store. What does 'four provences' mean?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭Dowee


    This is Supervalu's issue to resolve, not the council's and there are a number of simple solutions (suggested above) which could already have been implemented if they had the desire to do so.

    Additionally the easiest solution is park in the driving lane and inconvenience people in cars instead of damaging public property and endangering vulnerable road users. It never ceases to amaze me how people who wouldn't dream of parking temporarily on the road have no issue doing so on cycle lanes and footpaths.



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    Most likely Supervalu didn't seek to address the loading bay issue as it is only since implementation of 24hr cycle lane this year that it will have become more of an issue than in the past. Not being au fait with Musgraves delivery operations it is not for me to posit why they choose to use the delivery fleet that they do; perhaps they are delivering to Ranelagh/Churchtown/Blackrock or some variation thereof.



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    Council have implemented changes and upgrades along all that route in the past year including Zebra interventions so if there was a problem with Supervalu and deliveries then that was the perfect time to address it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭Dowee


    As has been seen with numerous cycling infrastructure projects, a lot of people seem to think it is the council's job to drop in for a cup of tea and personally explain on a one to one basis the plans to everyone in the vicinity (or anywhere else in the country) before proceeding with any changes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,466 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    They did address it - they put up wands to protect the mandatory cycle lane FFS!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Grassey


    Is there a reason that the delivery truck can't just stick on the flashers for a few mins and stay in lane?

    It's a dashed white line, so any other road users can legally and safely pass them by.






    oh... wait.... it would be unthinkable to block a 'road' to traffic. Yet illegally blocking another route for 'lesser' traffic is ok?

    I'd say if there wasn't so much path furniture along there, you'd be saying it's grand for him to pull up on the pavement, sure the pedestrians can walk around. The subtle hard pressed motorist cant be inconvencied prejeduce shines again!



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    Obviously not addressed if delivery trucks can't unload because of wands. No solution to a problem that is not going away means not addressed in my book.



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    The issue of delivery trucks and cycle lanes is across the city so argue all you like about illegal parking until a solution/compromise is found this is not going away anytime soon. I cycle to and from work every day and come across delivery trucks and construction trucks parked on cycle path, it's a fact of life, in most cases I don't see any other way for these trucks to go about their business without parking in cycle path but maybe you all live in areas where there are alternatives.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭Dowee


    Maybe you need to re-read the responses above if you still can't see other ways for deliveries to be made. It might help if you change the way you look at this situation, ie. the cycles lanes are not "the problem".



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    Until somebody who actually works in Transport with Musgraves posts then I'll reserve judgement on the responses. I don't recall saying cycle lanes are 'the problem' again another case of reading into a post what you want to read into it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭Seaswimmer


    For someone who cycles to and from work everyday you have a very benign attitude to the cycle lanes being blocked. I am not in the same situation but if I were still cycling to work every day and everyday my way was blocked I would certainly be making some representations about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    Correct, I do have a benign attitude to cycle lanes being blocked by delivery trucks and construction trucks and even by taxis if they are stopping to pick up or drop off passengers, there you go, in my book it's part and parcel of living in a city and no I don't feel in any way inclined to make representations about delivery trucks outside Supervalu or wherever but each to their own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭DoraDelite


    It's part and parcel of Dublin where enforcement is zero. It's not part and parcel in any normal progressive liveable city. The acceptance of it is a symptom of Stockholm Syndrome on your part, it does not have to be this way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,274 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I've been to many of these so-called liveable, progressive cities. They bored the arse off me.

    I'm not saying Dublin couldn't handle improved cycling priority, but many who are advocating throwing the baby out with the bathwater are putting Dublin's unique character at risk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,466 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Putting unique character at risk by enforcing road traffic laws? Give me a feckin break.



  • Registered Users Posts: 600 ✭✭✭ARX


    That reminds me of some guy who said that Copenhagen was boring because the buses ran on time. Yeah, waiting for a bus is really exciting.

    Dublin's "unique character"? Yeah, the sh1tty broken roads and footpaths, the relentless traffic noise, the cars absolutely f*king everywhere all the f*king time, that's Dublin's "unique character".

    Dublin could have been a lovely city, but it's a kip and will be a kip (possibly a submerged kip) when our grandchildren are dust.



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    I prefer to get information from sources who are actually involved in the disciplines they are talking about otherwise everyone is an ‘expert’.

    In relation to your second retort - the loading bay across road is not a viable ‘alternative’ for Musgrave truck deliveries to Supervalu Ranelagh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭Dowee


    What many people (including some of those who cycle) often fail to grasp is that one of the primary reasons we need safe cycling infrastructure is to encourage / allow those who are less confident and / or are more vulnerable, to cycle from A to B safely. Whilst I might be more than happy and confident to cycle on busy roads with no lanes or to pull out into the middle of the road to go around delivery trucks in bike lanes, it proves a major deterent to those who haven't been cycling for the same number of years as me.

    In summary, it's not all about you....or me.



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