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This is my Redemption Arc

  • 09-12-2021 3:51pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭


    In a previous life I was a runner, a coach, a boardsie , a physical therapist now I am a walking cliché

    32, unfit dad of 2, need to lose a few lbs so I am starting from scratch. Between my own decline in fitness and a bad patch over the last few months it saw me completely remove myself from the sport and detach myself from a lot of what made me, me. Let a lot of people down as I dropped the ball and am only starting to fully turn that around.

    With that in mind decided to revive my original profile here with the view of kick starting my own journey back into the sport. Unlike many previous comebacks I am coming back a blank slate with no running fitness to speak of (I don't think I have managed more than 2-3 runs at a time this year) or indeed very little coaching obligations post sabbatical. This is not a how to guide nor indeed anything which will be too inspirational it is simply me doing a hard reboot to the original days on boards in the hope to grow back into it in the new year.

    Tomorrow will be the weighing scales and a 5k TT to set a baseline on where to start......



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Good to see you back at it mate. Best of luck with it 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,558 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Welcome back! Any predictions for that TT, just based on your instincts and your own history?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Realistically I think 20 min is best case scenario. Just wanna have something to use to gauge efforts and paces early doors. Will use it just to ball park efforts for a few weeks and then come back and revisit in a few weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,558 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Good target to have - and I think, given that a 20 min 5k is something that many of us aspire to for a long time before achieving it, that the target illustrates your own undoubted natural talent, if it's something that can be realistically aspired to while 'starting from scratch', as you put it. Good luck!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    You could argue the semantics of natural talent vs 20+ years running experience.

    Despite the lack of fitness there is muscle memory there and no real abuse of smoking or alcohol to have taken it's toll on the body.

    I could fall flat on my face with it however and am being overly ambitious main thing is that I set a benchmark as a jumping off point to improve on no matter what that point is



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,558 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Of course, yes, the experience and muscle memory is vastly important too. You can see that at every level actually, where runners of varying experience/ability/talent seem to come back to form after injury for example at varying levels of easy/difficulty. I've no doubt you'll be 'up and running' to a decent level (by your own standards) in no time, so to speak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    You have more faith in me that I do myself given the number of false dawns for a long while haha. Not too worried about competing to be honest just wanna get back enjoying it and making it a part of my life again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭Lambay island


    Good luck and nice to see you back at it 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Ecoli is dead. Long live E.coli. 32............I'm STILL old enough to be your father...............Luke..........I am your.....(no, forget that)

    Great to have you back.

    Please drop in everywhere, inspire, leave comments, start threads, re-energise older threads, give wisdom.


    No pressure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭MY BAD


    All the best. Good to see you logging again.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 631 ✭✭✭Cleanman


    Great to see you back! Best of luck with it and i'll be following with interest.

    As a naturally competitive and talented athlete, one of the hardest things you'll do over the next months is to remember to go easy on yourself. You'll f*ck up sessions and feel like **** over the coming weeks but don't worry, it's all for the enjoyment😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    The Greatest movie quote that was never said 😂

    Cheers for the well wishes was sorry to see that even the most enthusiastic posters seem to be struggling with interest to an extent these days, its a real pity. I think part of the reason why I went back to my original username is to garner the same enthusiasm I had when I was first posting as I got a lot out of the boards over the years so hopefully there can be a renaissance for my own selfish reasons as much as the board itself as the grá has certainly been lacking. This was the first Olympics where I actually had to research results and form for work as I was so out of the loop



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    100%


    As mentioned above there have been a number of false dawns in recent years and I think part of it was the view that I was always putting a long term plan in place at the cost of the short term. As a coach I think I had focused too much on doing it right rather than actually doing it. Alot of soul searchin the past 12 months in alot of ways so I am hoping I can approach it with a fresh mindset (both running and life in general)


    An awful lot of mistakes have been made as of late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Friday 10/12

    Day 1

    5k TT: 20.02 (4.04, 4.00, 4.02, 4.10, 3.46)

    Surprisingly not too far off best case scenario. Not a great one for solo TT this was one of the first times I managed to truly replicate a race, went off a little too hard in the first 1k with over exuberance into the wind settled in, stitch rolled around about 3.5k in and struggle but managed to up the pace a little in the last k (wind aided) but was on my hands and knees by the end

    So that is where I am. Realistically I have about 100 miles in the legs in total this year so aerobic capacity is absolutely not there to be ramping up big miles to build back in so runs will be shorter and will try to supplement them with drills, strides, rowing and weights to work on mechanics while amiing build back up fitness with the runs focus on being consistent.

    Looking at the calendar I think pending restrictions I will come back and revisit this in a few weeks to see how i am progressing on Jan 1st with a local Parkrun. Today was a completely flat 2 lap course so I figure with local PR being a bit hillier even sustaining 19.30-20.00 would be solid work.

    Looking at a couple of the more reliable calendars that I have used in the past the race time here would put the following guidelines in place approximately

    Recovery Pace: + 9.30 per mile

    Easy Pace: 9.10 - 9.20 per mile pace

    Steady Pace: 8.10 - 8.20 per mile pace

    Tempo: 7.50 per mile

    Outside of strides I can't see myself venturing beyond that until 2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Wottle


    Just fcek off with your 20 mins!

    Only joking of course, delighted to see you back and love the ethos above, concentrating on consistency rather than perfection.

    Over the holidays and if you're up for it, a good cath up run up to Bohernabreena reservoir and back, let me know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Thanks man, hope your running going well. still playing catch up on the logs (the one area where still seems to be going strong)


    Definitely be up for a run in a week or two when can hopefully manage something more than 30-40 min haha



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Wottle


    Week or two is perfect, from the Old mill, it's 8 miles, looking forward to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Woooohoooo... Great to see you back..

    Testosterscone was always my favorite incarnation but that's mainly for sentimental reasons.

    Good to see you back at it. The forum seems to be gathering a little momentum lately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    It’s amazing what happens when I start posting again. I won’t gloat like AMK would though……….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Singer


    Good to see another boomeranger logging! It's a long slog coming back from nothing. For me it has been as slow and sore as starting to run first time 'round, with none of the naive excitement. Body shape and being older age make a difference too, so take them into account - starting again won't be a replay of the first time 'round.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Haha can't comment on here over the last few months but I reckon OO started chasing people back on just so he had content to like. Man must have scripted auto likes and whatapp texts connected to race results websites based on past experiences



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    I feel in a weird situation. I definitely am in the same boat regarding slow come back and soreness that has been apparent the last while some down to sleep being halved with the second kid who doesn't sleep through the night however the one thing is that the separation of the sport (as said outside of work for the Olympics I haven't really followed too closely) coupled with it and people completely passing me by I feel almost liberated to start afresh.

    I think Beepbeep67 used to have a great mantra around here regarding going to masters in that he drew a line under his previous career in the sport and acted like a completely new runner. I think the only way I am gonna succeed this time is to take a similar approach. Right now I am not considering myself the runner I was previously. My bench mark is 20.02 nothing before that matters. I still have the same knowledge as previous so hopefully make a few less mistakes but I am not letting previous baggage weigh me down and simply wanna enjoy bettering myself from that point

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Saturday 11/12 3.3 miles easy (9.07 pace)

    Sunday 12/12 OFF


    Saturday just a handy one to flush out the legs and then Sunday between full day with the kids and Santa etc took it off and start the first week fresh. Definitely a bit of DOMs from the TT

    Week 1

    Plan

    The aim for this week

    As mentioned before I am not in great aerobic shape so I am gonna try and build that capacity with supplementing the running. The missus got a rower during lockdown which is starting to gather dust so gonna hi jack that in the evenings just for the early stages of training

    As for weights will be a simple circuit workout with an empty barbell again just working on general conditioning for now.


    Strides and drills will be a good way to work on biomechanics while the running load is still low



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Mon 4 miles @ 8.57 min/mile

    Tuesday

    AM 5.1 miles (4.1 miles @8.48 + 6x15 sec strides off 1 min)

    PM 20 min rowing (4428m @ 30 SPM/143 Ave HR)

    Wed

    AM 1 mile easy, 3 steady (7.38, 7.36, 7.35), 1 mile easy


    Good start to the week overall. paces a little hotter than was prescribed as per the run calculator I plugged my time into but I effort is definitely right so I think it is more down to lack of cumulative fatigue in the legs and the fact that mileage per run is not that high as I am not exceeding 45 min. I reckon as volume creeps up this will adjust for the same effort somewhat

    The Rowing is not something I am too familiar with it's simply a bit of early fitness cross training to boost CV fitness a bit while the body becomes more accustomed to handling the pounding so shotgunmcos might be able to interpret the data a bit more than me

    Steady run was a little less steady and closer to true Threshold to be honest based off HR though overall the pace was not too taxing I think it is probably a bit of power and fitness not syncing up here and given where I am it will probably take a bit of time for everything to settle into the way it should but for now its work being done so progress.



  • Registered Users Posts: 752 ✭✭✭Back in Black


    Great to see you back logging and will be following the comeback with interest. Also brilliant to have someone with your knowledge and experience posting again. Very best of luck it!


    Very interested in the rowing - there's a rowing machine gathering dust in my house too and I was going to start doing a bit of rowing to compliment the running 3 days a week. Apart from the CV benefit, is there much benefit from a core training/ strength point of view?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Cheers man,


    That's a fair question to be honest. I can see there are differing view points on this one if you have a look some rant and rave about benefits of rowing given the total body effort and the number of muscles being used.

    Personally wouldn't be a huge fan of it as a cross training mechanism simply because you are going from a seated position which can ultimately lead to shortened hamstrings if good form is not applied and inhibit influential group muscles that are primarily used in the running action. Having said that given where I am any bit of CV and resistance work is going to compliment my running as well as the fact I can do this in the evening when kids are in bed without leaving the house. I was actually thinking about this on my run this morning and I think as my training progresses I might move these to Mon/Fri which will be used for now anyway as more recovery/step back days of 30-35 min running and opt for something a bit more specific (doubles, core, plyometrics etc)

    As with everything though it's better than doing nothing even if it isn't optimal it can still be beneficial



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    Welcome back!!!!!!! So great to have another 'start from scratch' runner to model from - oh, wait 🤣 not quite at the same starting point ha ha.

    Totally agree about not focusing on your former running self right now. I struggled with that a lot but then realised it was holding me back from doing anything at all because 'I'll never get back there'. You will of course get back there but still it's good to focus from the perspective of where you are now. Definitely a new you seeing as you're including parkrun in your future 😊

    Great to see life coming back to the forum with so many returning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Only seeing your log now! Welcome back good to have some new logs to read. I still make the peanut butter cookies you posted ages ago😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    They are a life saver. Kids love them but with my ridiculous sweet tooth they delay cravings due to lack of convenience and give me time to truly question do I want them or to make something proper rather than just habitually eating (even if the sweet tooth usually wins out)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Weds PM 20 min circuit


    4 sets with 3 min recovery

    Unweighted Barbell for this one. In this early stage everything is still based around conditioning so circuit work nearly at failure at the end but good to get routine going again


    Thurs AM 5 miles (4@ 8.43 min mile + 6x15 sec strides w/1 min rec)

    PM 20 min rowing (4892m @ 34 SPM/146 Ave HR)

    Legs feeling the circuit work the night before but but loosened out somewhat with the rowing in the evening

    Fri - 2.2 miles @ 9.11 pace

    Legs thankful of this one. but overall happy with the week to date a good bit of work one throughout while remaining optimistic and enjoying it. I am hoping this format will just keep me going till I get to a fitness level I can get stuck into things again in the new year

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭crisco10


    Peanut butter biscuits....tell me more!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Peanut butter

    Rolled Oats

    2-3 ripened bananas mashed

    Spoon of brown sugar


    Mix in a bowl, form into balls and flatten with back of a fork and in the oven for 15 min. Great for sweet tooth and keeping hunger at bay



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Saturday OFF

    Sunday OFF

    Monday OFF


    Bad start to the first week, little lad sent home from creche with a stomach bug Thursday and off for two days as precaution. Bad nigt with teeth meant me and him were up all night so inevitably I caught it from him thankfully non covid but still wiped me.

    Starting to come back to myself today so easy back into it. Still a 5 day week which was a high for atleast 6 months so just look at the positive rather than focusing on the set back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭ariana`


    Sounds tasty, I'll be trying those thanks for sharing the recipe.

    It's really tough going with smallies in the house, it can seem never ending especially during the Winter. Not much you can do about it except eat well which I'd say you do, sleep as much as you can and maybe a Vit D supplement to counter the lack of sunlight. Hopefully they'll have a healthy spell for a bit now 🤞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    This last year have definitely let things slide and no doubt has impacted the immune system. The second kid only started in creche 3 weeks ago so kinda expected in early stages to be subjected to a bit of an onslaught between sleep seriously impaired (If either wake at night they are my problem haha) as well as him being a lockdown baby,bugs and virus exposure was always gonna come at some point, just hoping that can escape Covid. Managed to keep it out of the house last two years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    A variation on something I had tried before with little success with the kids. What peanut butter do you use out of interest?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Aldi have there own brand smooth peanut butter you can get a large tub for around 5e.

    Original recipe also included a egg to bind but truth be told the PB used fairly liberally acts as a good binder for the ingredients



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Tues - 4 miles easy (8.55 min/m) + 6x15 sec strides off 1 min jog

    Wed AM - 5 mile progression - 8.43, 8.05, 7.47, 7.35, 7.25

    Bit of a weird one. still not 100% after the dose. Decided to swap out steady run for progression as it was a bit more moderate and take less out of me. Ideally probably could have pushed it a day but have my booster this afternoon so more than likely will be feeling worse tomorrow rather than better. In the end though worked out because felt grand throughout. Paces felt nice and controlled throughout and to be honest nothing more than a solid cruise by the end.

    Happy enough to be back on track after minor set back I know progresion won't be linear but going in the right direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Thurs - 30 min easy (no watch)

    Booster did a bit of a number so did what I could

    Friday & Saturday OFF

    Sunday 4 miles easy (8.42 min pace

    Monday 3 mile recovery (9.17 min pace)

    Tuesday OFF

    Wednesday OFF

    Thursday OFF

    Training been a bit of a write off the last while between Christmas, booster, the brother testing positive for Covid ruling out any time for the kids with Grandparents and the youngest getting a bad time of it with teeth it has simple been survival mode this week. Had penciled a park run for the next TT but given recent developments opting out probably try get out early doors or late night just to put down a bench mark for the start of the year and go from there

    Belated happy Christmas to those who read hope it was a good one and the new year brings a fresh start



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Happy new year man. I'm in a similar boat. I've found the Christmas very very tough going. It seems to come in waves and never seems to be just one problem at a time. Hang in there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Previously would have panicked with the set backs. The way I see it this time around is that I am in better shape than I was in 1st TT 3 weeks ago. I don't expect this comeback to be linear and expect there will be a number of set backs but just trying to keep moving in right direction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Sat

    5k Time Trial: 8.04*(4.00,4.04)

    Well I definitely jinxed this by saying that I was in better Shape Truth is I do feel in better shape but the little lads teeth causing the lack of sleep ultimatly immunes systems down and he got a dose which he kindly passed around. A couple of nights on couch with a 1 year old coughing in your face will destroy the most resilient of people. Never developed to more than congestion really and HR seemed okay but between that and sleep I think I was just wound up. Realistically I think I gave up mentally with TT long before physical head just wasn't there so a big fat fail

    Sunday OFF

    Literally had the keys in hand when the little lad screamed out which nixxed late night run and hope for a 2022 run streak

    Mon - 5 miles recovery (9.17 min pace)

    Tuesday 5.8 miles easy including 4x15 sec strides

    Wednesday 5 mile progression (8.39, 8.12, 8.04, 7.51, 7.32)

    Been in a routine of getting this in between the late night wake ups this week even if it meant frosty enough conditions A bit of reflection time in appreciating the estate I am living in and from training perspective. 2 mile loop, a 1 mile flat smaller lap, fully lit, approx 800m hill and little to no traffic what more could I ask for in terms of actually making the best of my surroundings.

    Finished up the progression run feeling fairly controlled coming by the only person I ever see on these runs; little old lady who is always out walking her dog in a pram at this time an oddity till I had the self realization that the woman out walking her dog presumably has the same preconceptions about my madness being out at that late hour roaming the streets alone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    If the rowing is loosening out your legs and you are rowing at 34spm then you are risking a back injury that will impact your comeback. Rowing can add to running as XT and a mate of mine (1:13 HM) did a weekly 10k on it. You probably know the benefits yourself. So worth some technique pointers. Rowing is more legs than anything! I find this lad a bit better than the US versions of same. He does Form Check Fridays which goes into technique




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Cheers M

    Will definitely take a look at that admittedly my form no doubt could do with work, based on memory of a crash course from a couple of rowers years back.


    Given there have been many a nights in the couch with the young lad between teeth and sickness probably no harm in not being complacent about the back



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    Enjoying reading the log so far - I would really love to show it to some buddies who mark runs as easy because it was their easy pace when they ran a pb 5 years ago but are clearly struggling with high heart rate etc . I think maybe in years gone by you maybe one of the posters who’s posts inspired me to look at my own easy paces - not sure though with all the name changes .

    Best of luck with the redemption arc and the log .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    I think the thing that really drove this home for me was one of my coaches as a teenager. Used to do the odd run with him and occasionally he would ask if we could dial back the pace on recovery runs etc (was running in the 7 mid min range) Initially I thought he was trying to be nice till I bought into it and saw the results. He was a 2.16 marathoner at the time and helped highlight there is little room for ego in training



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    I was off for 2 years + myself: zero running + 4 stone etc. etc.

    As you will have all the muscle memory, developed capillaries and all that stuff you will get back relatively quickly.

    My advice would be to go through a short middle distance type training block. All phases but compressed.

    The thinking would be that you don't want to go through a long endurance build up as youre adding even more time since you ran those faster paces. Also, a big endurance build up takes time that may be scarce right now.

    Such a MD block would get you to utilize ALL the muscle you have trained previously. Faster running may be the best way to do that. 10 weeks from now 1500 or 3000 TT.

    You could go slightly heavier on the base but after the 10 weeks, you will have a lot more muscle to give endurance to.


    I have experience of training with a very young infant (2nd child) on the scene. Less sleep allows you to only give so much energy to running per day. That can work out well once you work with it. Identify the amount of energy you have available and train within that. If you build conservatively you will be able to do quite a lot of work (I got my 10k pb with this method at that time). Just very slowly increment the workload so you don't notice any increase in the amount of energy required to do the training: that means you're stronger.


    "Milo of Croton" is worth a google.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Definitely on the same wavelength.

    Currently I am simply just trying to establish routine and get back in the habit of running. As such base/fundamental phase is simply about running (albeit within myself so that illness/injury/ motivational waning aren’t an issue.

    I think overall the first half of this year will probably target 1500/5000. I think the training associated with that is less time consuming (with lack of sleep and kids commitments playing a role I know aiming too high will lead to a boom/ bust cycle) The other side of it is that that sort of training was what I grew up on and 1500 was an event that I could hold my own in even when marathon training. While I was never graced with blistering speed I could normally rattle out a low 4.20 at some point most years.


    I think you hit nail on the head though regarding incremental, in no rush and happy to build up modestly this year so definitely won’t be trying to smash it out of the park any time soon but simply build running back up into part of my life with the time available for it


    The Milo of Croton reference appeals to the classics degree in me as well as the premise it’s one I have heard plenty of times in the past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Thursday 5.6 miles (8.35 min pace) including 4x15 sec strides

    Friday 4.4 mile recovery (9.09 min pace)

    Saturday 1 mile easy 4 steady (7.31, 7.28, 7.30,7.27) 1 mile easy

    Sunday 8 miles easy (8.37 min pace)

    Total Weekly Mileage: 39.8

    Finally starting to get a bit of traction with getting out every day. Sleep continues to be an issue but with current Mon/Fri recovery run days it takes a bit of pressure off. More interested in just running now rather than anything else. Saturdays steady run was quiet controlled given the pace temptation to push it but to be honest still a decent bit of running even if I was within myself

    Sunday hit a few milestones, first 30+ mile week that I can remember in a very long time, first 7 day running week and first run +60 minutes,

    Hoping this week to add back in a bit of supplementary while maintaining this running streak

    Overall very happy with that and hoping I can keep that rolling for a few more weeks. Plan is to set a few minor modest targets for the rest of the month just as a way of tracking progress


    January Targets

    Mileage: 150 miles in January (currently 42.5)

    Days run: 27 (currently 9/10)

    Consecutive days run: 21 (currently 7)



  • Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭babacool


    Happy to be able to “stalk” your progress again! 🙂 may the force stay with you and your joy for running/training/coaching reenergise! And who knows at some point we may end up to finally get jog together (Leixlip still isn’t that far away 😂)

    if you ever need someone to pace you on a TT let me know! Happy to do so for as long as I’m still ahead of you 😎😁.



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