The Irish protocol.

What country are you living in CJ? A couple of weeks ago I walked by a secondary school near where my folks' home is and noticed about one in five of the students appeared to be Black/Asian or other ethnic minority, and that's just the ones you can tell by appearance. I presume that these lads are happy to call themselves Irish-Indian, Irish-Nigerian, Irish-Polish, Irish-Italian and whatever you're having yourself.

You're mistaking 'British-identifying' with Irish-hating, not-an-inch, Ulster is British, no surrender, unionism. Now if you have some ideas as to how to appease people like that then I'd like to hear them, if just for the lols.

Is there any country in the world outside Britain where the British would feel as at home as Ireland? We watch British TV, we follow the exploits of British soccer clubs, we speak English, we are familiar to the British having been prominent in British entertainment for generations and so on. If there's an anti-British element in Ireland then it's doing truly terrible job of dissuading the 200,000 British people who've settled here in the last couple of decades.

When you mention anti-British what you mean is anti-colonial, anti-supremacist, anti-Rule Britannia, and oh yes, of that I'm proud of Ireland, it's the main reason we're not ruled by utter bastards like Jacob Rees Mogg, Boris Johnson, 'Lord' Frosty and don't have a 'Royal' as head of state.

This has been explained to you already, yet you keep ignoring it for some silly attempt to try and blame Irish people for the dislike Unionists have for Ireland. As I said, if you think that is incorrect, why don't you ask Downcow why their ancestors went from being pro Republic to hardline Unionists in the space of about 50 years at a point in our history when Catholics had practically no say in the running of Ireland.

Makes no difference where he is from. St George the patron saint of the English was from Turkey? St Andrew the patron Saint of the Scotish was from the holy land. The patron Saint of a nation does not have to be from where that nation live. The fact is Patrick is the patron Saint of the Irish. Which includes northern/ southern/western or any other adjective you want to put in front of Irish.

Some thing never change, still not answering questions

Well there you go making my point for me. When you're talking about Irishness you're talking about being in our country, so that immediately is excluding Irish people who live in the British part of this island. Your pride in Ireland is not what i'm concerns me, it's the fact that you're awarding the country of Ireland exclusive domain of the Irish identity.

Your final point really reads like you're saying Irish people equate Britishness with colonialism and supremacism, if you're also giving that impression to "British-only" unionists you can hardly be surprised at them rejecting an Irish identity.

Again i don't care about blame, nor about Downcows ancestors - though how you expect him to answer for their motivations I've no idea.

You also have not in anyway addressed my point, in fact you couldn't possibly both answer my question about the British-excluding nature of the accepted view of Irish identity and in the same breath say i'm trying to "blame Irish people for the dislike Unionists have for Ireland". It's just not possible.

Hardline Unionist mindsets have not changed in 150 years and if you want to try and figure out that mindset, you have to look at their past. Lets compare Northern Unionists with Protestants who stayed in the South after partition. You think that before partition, their mindset was any different from their Northern brethern? No, but your average Protestant in the Republic now pretty much view themselves as being Irish. How did that happen if it was the Irish identity that was the issue?

Exactly. In the South they went from being British-Irish to Irish. that supports my position not yours. Now if you pointed to communities who maintained their British-Irish culture in the South to this day, you could then contrast them to "British-only" Unionists in the North and point a finger. Instead you're showing that in the south there was no place for Britishness in the Irish identity so the British-Irish adopted the an "Irish-only" identity. In the north where they had other options a small subset of the British Irish adopted a "British-only" identity. The currently accepted view of being Irish excludes them, you've yet to show me an example of how it does not. Instead many of you just tell me why they should be excluded, or that they are deciding to exclude themselves.

I also disagree that we need to look at their past to understand them, I think we'd be better served looking at our present and planning our future together.

And yet the majority of Catholics who have been living in NI still do not regards themselves as British. What is the difference between Irish Protestants and Northern Irish Catholics. Why did one group adopt and the other not?

The OO was never banned in the Republic yet has faded away to nothing? Again, why?

I don't think anyone would have a problem with anyone retaining their British identity, be that passports or travel rights or anything else, in the event of a UI.