Mica Redress

Well. “People aren’t stupid”? .. let me just fill you in. Because you haven’t researched the whole thing properly and would prefer to scoff and mock the greedy homeowners- I will enlighten you.

you can go and Google this because I’m not going in to all the detail here for you but basically every industry is regulated. As you’d expect. The concrete industry used to test all products. In 1993 cube testing stopped. As the Celtic tiger began to roar the industry were allowed to self regulate. The government regulators say on their hands and let the guys work away themselves. They dropped the ball. We done “think” this happened. We are not making this up. This is indeed fact that you can go and find proof of for yourself if you want to.

To answer your second question - legal proceedings. A small group of homeowners proceeded to take legal proceedings in 2016. This case was undertaken by two solicitors from Buncrana. One representing the homeowners and one representing the manufacturer. The case tumbled on for a long time, the costs were mounting up on the homeowners until one day - this letter arrived in front of them (attached) That ended that.

I am not sure about the details and wouldn’t like to comment further but as far as I hear it’s possible these homeowners were duped. Surprise surprise as thats par for the course for us homeowners.

I hope these two explanation’s answer your questions and prove to you that we do not actually think that “people” are stupid. People make themselves look stupid all by themselves. They rarely need help.

The facts are all out there. Homeowners are hiding nothing or making anything up so we wish the attacks on us would stop. Also to add - as I explained in a previous post, my childrens inheritance will automatically be restored once my home is rightfully fully repaired at no cost to me.

"The concrete industry used to test all products. In 1993 cube testing stopped. As the Celtic tiger began to roar the industry were allowed to self regulate. The government regulators say on their hands and let the guys work away themselves. They dropped the ball. We done “think” this happened. We are not making this up. This is indeed fact that you can go and find proof of for yourself if you want to."

There's lots of building products that Governments don't test - cables, pipes, beams, joists, and blocks and cubes. How does that make the Government financially liable for any costs arising? Did the builders and architects involved in these builds not arrange their own testing, if they knew that it was a self-regulation environment?

Repeating a lie x1000 times won't make it true

The State isn't responsible and to think otherwise is wrong, as the campaigners were likely advised by their lawyers when contemplating whether or not to sue the State.

The fact that the Mica campaigners know this and continue to say otherwise means that they are lying and purposely trying to deceive the public.

That's quite rich coming from a Mica campaigner lol. All you guys do is make accusations and insult anyone who disagrees with you.

One need only have a look on Twitter under the #MicaRedress hashtag... It's an absolute disgrace if you ask me, some of the things that have been said about the politicians fighting tooth and nail to help you.

Just to observe, if someone takes a legal action against you and your insurance doesn't cover you for that specific risk, that's your problem and not the person suing you. I'm afraid, you've just presented another non-sequitur.

Just generally, a feature of this discussion is mica campaigners asserting "ye don't understand". If an explanation can be coaxed out of them, it's frequently found that they are actually the ones who don't understand.

I don’t have thousands (not even one to spare, as many of us in Ireland don’t) to spend on a court case. Short and simple answer there.

"I wonder if those same people were surrounded by 7000 homes in their locality, to see their family, friends, neighbours, work colleagues affected, would they still be so angry with them. Would they tell them to shut up and suck it up, and be damn glad with a poor deal."

I can only speak for myself, but I'm not angry at you, I feel sorry for you and anyone caught up in this mess, and I doubt I'm alone in the thread. It is a genuine disaster to have befall this community but the inability to see reason, what's reasonable or hear other views seems to be a lot of the problem here. The campaign for redress has been seemingly let go on with no dissenting voices within it, and more importantly, no voices to prepare it for the compromise that has to be made. Furthermore the professional advice that the campaign made publicly available appears poor because it too doesn't confront the difficult realities but tells the audience what it wants to hear. The built up expectation of the campaign followers has now collided with reality that the State only willing to do the absolute minimum to get homes safe and that consideration of saleability, inheritance or property values are not and were never part of the equation.

The deal you have been offered you may consider poor, but poor and all as it is, it is massive assistance from your fellow citizens, in particular future first time buyers who had absolutely nothing to do with causing this too. Beyond some tinkering at the edges, the solution on the table is the shape of the end solution and a considerably better offer is not likely to be forthcoming tbh. The protesters need to recognise that this wasn't a State failing (really, it wasn't), but that of a local company for which you are getting a State assistant package to help you recover from it.

I agree with you to a certain extent regarding the lack of sugar coating of views but that entirely as a consequence of the way debate has been structured on the site and the way some posters have been happy to give it but not take it.

And that should wrap up the thread. Goodnight

“When you say the government, what you really mean is the taxpayer. The people you're calling dickheads, scum, pricks etc, these are the people who you are insisting need to cough up the money to build you a new house. 

I think you are being led up the garden path by those leading this campaign, as it seems you are under the impression that your situation must be resolved to your complete satisfaction no matter the cost, and no matter what the burden is on everyone else.”

When I say government I mean those making the decisions. When you say taxpayer, you are forgetting me. The government have failed us. ALL OF US. WHY do you attack me, a fellow tax payer?? It’s the decision makers you need to question. Not us, your friends.

I ask you to take back the comment you made about me being led up the garden path by the leaders of the campaign. I have been heavily involved in the campaign. I am a highly educated person, paying tax since I was basically a child. I have researched and questioned absolutely everything to do with this scandal. I haven’t been led up any garden path except the governments. .. I trusted them 15 years ago when I built my semi D. I believed they had my best interests at heart. They failed me. They have failed you too. Go get them. Not me.

i apologise for my language before but you must understand, we are innocent here ordinary people like you. We are being attacked all over social media every single day. We are real people. Not just anonymous contributors in an irrelevant discussion. We are living this. So excuse me for feeling frustrated and attacked.

Between myself and my husband alone, we have 9 siblings. 11 in total. 9 of us are affected by this nightmare. We are immersed and submerged in every way possible and we are drowning.

As NIMAN said, you don’t know who is next. It could be you or your nearest and dearest that find themselves in the situation we find ourselves in right now. The whole country was screwed - not just us.

I want to say one thing - you are speaking to people that are completely on their knees. There are people just about to take their lives. I would seriously consider researching a bit more before attacking us any further because this scandal is teetering on the edge of disaster now. If it’s not already there.

I am with NIMAN. I am leaving the debate. There is nothing more to say. Wish us luck. Please.

According to the media coverage options 2-5 allow for 100% redress, i.e. repair, just like what the pyrite scheme received. I don't think there were any rebuilds for pyrite, or at least they were a tiny minority if any.

The protesters here are looking at option 1 here as if all will get that. Really only the very worst examples will be approved for a rebuild, which is obvious from the proposed budget. I suspect for a significant proportion of homeowners, they may not even get the outer leaf done as damage won't be significantly advanced enough to enter the scheme or warrant the disruption that the building work will cause - as without inner leaf work, the property value won't really be enhanced.