Formula 1 Round 22 Abu Dhabi GP

Larbre34 · 12-12-2021 5:16pm

It was Masi's responsibility to let ***ALL*** cars reset their positions before the green flag was waved. Thats the rule. ALL or NONE.

If that was not possible to happen before running out of time, then he should have let it run out of time and the race would have finished behind the Safety Car. Its nobody's fault that the Safety Car incident happened so close to the end of the race, thats just life.

Ask yourself what would have happened if Latifi binned it with 2 laps to go, then apply your answer to what did actually happen.

This race was neutralised the moment the Safety Car button was pressed and Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes are going to be the World Champions in both competitions.

breezy1985 · 12-12-2021 5:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118310101#Comment_118310101

And was this the first time all season that luck went with or against a rider.

You can't just look at the last thing that happened. It's like in soccer when a player "loses" the match by making a last minute mistake as if last minute ones are worth more goals than early ones

Mitch Connor · 12-12-2021 5:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118310326#Comment_118310326

Why shoukd he take into account championship positions in making up his own process to hand the title to max. Which is what he did.

Burkie1203 · 12-12-2021 5:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118310347#Comment_118310347

Are you Toto? Your every bit as salty

Rossi IRL · 12-12-2021 5:18pm

At the point it was called for lapped cars to overtake it should have been all lapped cars and then there should of been 1 more safety car lap.

That's the rules.

Neither were followed.

Hard to know what the outcome will be.

namloc1980 · 12-12-2021 5:19pm

Laughable that Mercedes now want to win the championship in the stewards room after all their talk during the week 🤣

martingriff · 12-12-2021 5:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118310253#Comment_118310253

And who is that on exactly

Frank Bullitt · 12-12-2021 5:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118310318#Comment_118310318

Where does it say that specifically?

antodeco · 12-12-2021 5:20pm

The protest really can't change the outcome of the race though.

"Hey RB, do you know the way you won the race, well we made a mistake by sort of applying the rules, so through no fault of your own, we are going to take the win back. Oh and also, we are also removing the possibility of you getting passed everyone and winning the race anyway. So, because of our mess, you lose the win and also have been given no opportunity to try and get the win anyway. Oopsies"

Mantis Toboggan · 12-12-2021 5:21pm

Hamilton was extremely lucky to get away with it on lap one. Karma came back to bite him in the end.

Burkie1203 · 12-12-2021 5:21pm

Horner Weakley and Newey off to the stewards now

Mitch Connor · 12-12-2021 5:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118310345#Comment_118310345

But it's not a matter of luck. It's a matter of Masi making up rules that don't exist to put max behind hamilton. It's not luck, it is the race director deliberately cheating a driver.

McFly85 · 12-12-2021 5:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118310363#Comment_118310363

Yeah I think Mercedes know this, which is why they’re putting the flimsy ‘Max was overtaking under a safety car’ challenge in too to try and get him a 5 second penalty.

Mercedes coming off as hugely unsporting here.

devnull · 12-12-2021 5:22pm

Looks like Lewis has this. Body language from Red Bull is really not good.

Mercedes will be by far the most unpopular team on the grid next year.

devnull · 12-12-2021 5:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118310369#Comment_118310369

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Mitch Connor · 12-12-2021 5:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118310349#Comment_118310349

Are you so utterly biased that you genuinely don't care that rules weren't followed just cause your guy won?

According to the actual rules, race should have finished on yellow. Hamilton was cheated by Masi throwing out all the rules. He'd have won if the rules were followed. Its that simple.

BrookieD · 12-12-2021 5:24pm

looking at the rule (48.12) the quote is "If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car"

Key here is "any" there is not mention os all or some so I dont see how Merc will have this overturned and for the record while i like Lewis i am delighted for Max, fair play to Red Bull for the gamble and it paying off. Some you win and dome you lose.

Rossi IRL · 12-12-2021 5:25pm

With the argument over Max overtaking. He was definitely along side and went ahead for a second or so. Not much in that but Merc could argue that by Verstappen being there it stopped Hamilton warming his tyres and taking his desired line through that last corner before going green again.

This definitely isn't ending tonight. Whatever result comes tonight will be appealed

martingriff · 12-12-2021 5:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118310347#Comment_118310347

Care to explain how and no he does not take it to consideration tyres. Also Lewis defended that overtaking horribly

devnull · 12-12-2021 5:25pm

So imagine scenarios

Lewis get's no penalty for taking a short cut which gave him a lasting advantage on lap one to keep the lead over Verstappen who family overtook him.

Verstappen get's a penalty for overtaking for 0.1 seconds by 10cm or so without gaining a lasting advantage under the safety car.

Red Bull should then lodge an official complaint with the FIA for the stewards not applying the rules as they are in the rulebook and inconsistent application of them.

walshb · 12-12-2021 5:25pm

The appeal ongoing?

Luxembourgo · 12-12-2021 5:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118310326#Comment_118310326

Ah I just mean the last lap wasn't that dramatic. It was pretty much a decision that decided it.

It's a shame they couldn't immediately red flag, would have been amazing

Burkie1203 · 12-12-2021 5:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118310395#Comment_118310395

Yeah Horner Weakley and Newey gone to the stewards. Horner looked like he has been downing a few beers

Frank Bullitt · 12-12-2021 5:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118310340#Comment_118310340

It’s not. It’s to let the cars on the lead lap pass, which he did.

Spook_ie · 12-12-2021 5:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118310285#Comment_118310285

Just like the last race when Mercedes pitted under Safety Car and Red Bull gained under the Red Flag?

martingriff · 12-12-2021 5:27pm

Taking a barrister in WTF Mercedes

namloc1980 · 12-12-2021 5:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118310388#Comment_118310388

Yup. "Any" can mean some or all of a thing.

devnull · 12-12-2021 5:28pm

The thing is, even if they discount the last lap, why should the race be finished a lap early, since Red Bull will then argue that it's not their fault that the race director made a wrong call, and they might have caught Hamilton anyway.

Even if you overturn the result here, then that's not fair on Red Bull as they were then deprived the chance to race the last lap and because of that, it means that Lewis Hamilton has been given an unfair advantage.

Mitch Connor · 12-12-2021 5:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118310388#Comment_118310388

Any cars that have been lapped will be required to overtake.

Some lapped cars did not.

Very simple, very clear.

Itssoeasy · 12-12-2021 5:29pm

So Mercedes have brought a barrister into the stewards which is hardly for the whether max was ahead of Lewis. Nico not impressed by George Russell taking the Mercedes party line and he’s not left Williams yet.

Formula 1 Round 22 Abu Dhabi GP

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