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What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,450 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Could just get it straight



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,502 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    If you're going to the bother of sowing in the first place - it's no extra hassle to put a few other seeds down the spout - ( as long as the cost isn't prohibitive )

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's the same ignorant to business soft headed-ness that has rented land in a shít. A lot of people just want to see the money and give the renter a free hand to rape the place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,590 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    How will you be stitching it in?

    The more species the better.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,450 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,994 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Will there be more Maize grown now?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,310 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    With the price of grains, growing maize, whole crop etc, has never looked so attractive?

    If people could get it out of their heads that maize needs fertilizer fired at it, it’d be even more attractive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,014 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    What fert slurry would you be saying to put on it ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,310 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Assuming index 4 just maintenance levels for P & K and around 100uN/ac.

    Plenty fym/slurry without killing worms!


    What I would do is drop seeding rates significantly. IMHO it’s absurd that the recommended rate is115k seeds/ha. That’s only driving biomass when it’s grain from the cob is what you need, not gut-fill. The fact that you don’t base the diet on maize allows you to increase grain yield to the max without having any dietary issues whatsoever.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,014 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk




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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,829 ✭✭✭✭Danzy



    Big jump up in energy prices today and including for energy 12 months out.


    The Fertilizer element of this alone was a major global issue, and a very important EU level one.


    The impact on businesses and homes from the energy rise was a massive issue for Europe over last few months.


    It settling in long term is an incredibly important challenge.


    The reaction in Brussels is a small time slot later this month.

    If there is anything but a mild winter European gas reserves will be at record lows, at levels where industry will have to close to preserve stock.


    If it's an average bit cold winter in Europe, it doesn't bare thinking about.

    Mind boggling.

    Post edited by Danzy on


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Local lads take a share of slurry from the piggeries and plough it in straight away



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    Is it an easy read, or more like a book you’d have to study Sam?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,014 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Got some previously

    wouldn’t have a hope of getting it next year I’d say



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,955 ✭✭✭amacca


    Hyperinflation is already here....as far as the author is concerned money is worth sweet fook all if that hardcover price isn't a misprint


    Does he suggest any strategies/hedges against the elephant called impending clusterfuck thrusting it's groin in my general direction while remaining relatively unseen so far in the room.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    There's lots of it is relatively easy reading at the start. Then there's a big chunk in the middle that's tough going but that can be skipped easy enough and the last few chapters gives something to think about if nothing else



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    These would be tillage lads who'd have a long running thing with the piggeries. Big acreage as well, beet maize as well as grain



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Printing money like has happened in the past two years by countries will only end one way, listening to a podcast this morning re American debt which is close to hitting 30 trillion if the fed has to grow a pair and up intrest rates to say 5% to combat hyper inflation, 1.5 trillion a year will be needed from the government budget to cover intrest debt repayments , out of a tax take of 6 trillion, its a matter of when not if the financial markets collapse and the world is plunged into a depression....

    As for ourselves given our debt levels unless Pascal has our intrest rates fixed on our bonds we are screwed



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    The general idea is that the interaction between stable money and the economy is like spokes in a bicycle wheel.

    The whole think is kept in relative balance but when you start expansionary monetary policies, that changes.

    Areas of the economy that don't deserve allocations of wealth start to do better than they should (tech, speculation etc) while the backbone of the productive economy gets squeezed (ag, mining, energy, transport).

    Pre globalisation the whole thing seems to have been harder to maintain. But the modern world economy seems to have been able to push it much much further.

    So what we're seeing now is major under investment in fossil fuel energy and transport rearing it's head, and farmers slowly getting poorer over the past decade(all in relative terms) leading to them not being able to take the fert increases in there stride.

    So go back to the analogy of the wheel and much more force was being transmitted through fewer spokes, creating a wobble in the wheel. Could have carried on longer but we hit the pothole that is covid and the whole thing is going to sh1t because the distribution of capital/profit has moved so much from where it should be in a more resilient economy that depends on real wealth generation and not paper profits.


    The problem now is that everything is so far out of kilter that it's hard to know what is real and what's not.

    The end point has to be increased interest rates and bankruptcies. So weathering that storm is the most important thing.

    It's too late in the day to be worried about where to invest money as almost everything is in a bubble anyway.

    Minimising debt and maximising self sufficiency is about the best any of us can do. Farming has been through lots of busts and not being locked into a system designed purely for profits in good times is the biggest concern anyone should have. As there's not a whole pile that can be done about the rest anyway.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Are government bonds fixed over fairly short terms like 5 years or so? All eventually will be refinanced at much higher rates



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    "The life of the inflation in its ripening stage was a paradox which had its own unmistakable characteristics. One was the great wealth, at least of those favored by the boom..Many great fortunes sprang up overnight...The cities, had an aimless and wanton youth"

    "Prices in Germany were steady, and both business and the stock market were booming. The exchange rate of the mark against the dollar and other currencies actually rose for a time, and the mark was momentarily the strongest currency in the world" on inflation's eve.

    "Side by side with the wealth were the pockets of poverty. Greater numbers of people remained on the outside of the easy money, looking in but not able to enter. The crime rate soared."

    "Accounts of the time tell of a progressive demoralization which crept over the common people, compounded of their weariness with the breakneck pace, to no visible purpose, and their fears from watching their own precarious positions slip while others grew so conspicuously rich."

    "Almost any kind of business could make money. Business failures and bankruptcies became few. The boom suspended the normal processes of natural selection by which the nonessential and ineffective otherwise would have been culled out."

    "Speculation alone, while adding nothing to Germany's wealth, became one of its largest activities. The fever to join in turning a quick mark infected nearly all classes..Everyone from the elevator operator up was playing the market."

    "The volumes of turnover in securities on the Berlin Bourse became so high that the financial industry could not keep up with the paperwork...and the Bourse was obliged to close several days a week to work off the backlog"

    "all the marks that existed in the world in the summer of 1922 were not worth enough, by November of 1923, to buy a single newspaper or a tram ticket. That was the spectacular part of the collapse, but most of the real loss in money wealth had been suffered much earlier."

     "Throughout these years the structure was quietly building itself up for the blow. Germany's inflationcycle ran not for a year but for nine years, representing eight years of gestation and only one year of collapse"

    From the book.


    "The people of the banks of the Guadalquivir marvelled at the precious particles of earth brought to the surface by the labour of the Indians and transported thence by our courage and industry: but the possession and abundance of such wealth altered everything. Agriculture laid down the plough, clothed herself in silk and softened her work calloused hands. Trade put on a noble air, exchanging the work bench for the saddle, went out to parade up and down the streets. The arts disdained mechanical tools.

    Coins of silver and gold spurned kinship with base alloy, and refusing all other metals kept themselves pure and noble, and the nation's sought after them by all manner of means. Goods became proud, and when silver and gold fell in esteem, they raised their prices...

    As men promised more from their incomes then in reality they had, ostentation and royal pomp grew, pensions, pay and other items of crown payments rose on the basis of foreign wealth, which was too badly administered and kept to meet so much expense, and this gave rise to debt."

    Saavedra fajardo writing on the effect of incoming american gold in the 1600s.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,310 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit




  • Registered Users Posts: 845 ✭✭✭dohc turbo2


    Rang Kerry this morning , was told they would tell me the prices but no fertilizer for me as last year I bought in April, giving lads who bought in Dec last year first refusal and at 50% , not in amount, of u spent 10 grand last year Ur allowed to purchas 5 grand of fertilizer



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,014 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Nope, finest of tillage ground on the banks of the slaney

    typical of what you get when you take land after the malting barley hero’s around here



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,310 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Yes we’re experiencing come inflation now but there’s no risk of hyperinflation like that in the Weimar. That was put in place to try and reduce the pain of war reparations.

    The inflation that we’re seeing now is more of an upward adjustment after years of stagnation, especially in wages. Globalisation by its nature is deflationary because of the mobility of corporations…if wages in Dublin get too high corporations can move to where wages are much less, and so on. I’m encouraged by the fact that workers are finally getting a rise in wages, even if it’s at a time of overall inflation.

    Yes printed money is helping inflation but it’s mostly down to countries having both labor and supplies shortages due to COVID. Things will/should settle when/if we get free of the pandemic. Inflation has always been good for agriculture but this time it coincides with the exponential growth of fertilizer prices…again it should be transitory.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭ginger22


    CSO say fertilizer prices have increased by 52% https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/cso-fertiliser-prices-have-jumped-by-52-in-a-year/

    would like to know where they are buying their fertilizer. seem good value LOL



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,844 ✭✭✭straight


    How is inflation good for agriculture when we are actually getting paid less than we got paid 40 years ago despite all our products inputs increasing multiple times over.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    You're very optimistic!

    I don't think any big currencies would collapse but their economies might.

    It might not be as visible in france. But there's such a volume of money floating around that a lot of businesses over here probably wont be very viable when any sort of tightening of money happens.

    It's very hard to see where value is actually being generated here, all the while the backbone of our actually productive portions of the economy are all getting pushed harder than ever.

    Rising prices are the least of our worries when the whole thing could unwind much worse than in the noughties



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,310 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    They weren’t growing any barley at that ph…oats yes, maybe wheat at a push.

    Conacre?

    I wouldn’t grow maize on ground that’s spun out like that. Give it plenty fym/slurry for a few years and give it a go then.



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