Would you be happy for your children to receive covid-19 vaccine

@Lumen wrote:

This is one part that seems to be overlooked when discussing side effects. Myocarditis comes about as a side effect of the body's immune response. It's not a unique feature of covid vaccines; virtually every vaccine has the potential to induce myocarditis. It also seems more than likely that individuals who experience myocarditis as a result of vaccination, would likely experience it if they were infected with covid.

IMHO one of the reasons why this is suddenly a "surprise" is because in general teenagers (boys in particular) don't receive many vaccinations. The childhood vaccination schedule is largely complete by 12/13 years of age, and as a result the majority don't receive any new vaccinations until their 20s or 30s when they may take a flu vaccine. Thus historically the incidence of myocarditis from vaccinations in teenagers is likely very low, and since it's usually very mild, typically goes unnoticed.

But now that we're vaccinating hundreds of millions of teenagers and forensically dissecting the slightest ill-effects, this one has popped up. Spoiler: It's still not a big deal.

Believe whatever you want to believe, I don't place much faith in factcheckers that are used to discredit any alternative argument that doesn't fit the narrative. But still if it's "vaccine technology platform" he invented I would still be inclined to listen to what he is saying.

Antivax website? It's called Twitter, where people who are for the vaccination of children or against the vaccination of children can share opinions, information and debate, more of which is needed before parents make such big decisions for their children.

He's busy shilling Ivermectin and claiming he both had long COVID and cured it using Ivermectin (ignoring that Ivermectin didn't stop him getting the disease and that he developed long COVID and waited a while before taking the drug he's shilling and proclaiming it works). In other words, he's a charlatan.

Where did you find that analysis?

He's really gone off the deep end and seems determined to ruin his legacy, factually, the entire statement is bunkum.

Discredit it anyway you want, I just did the search on Twitter the video is on multiple accounts.

They may be anti-vax or whatever.

I have received the jabs myself, I am just concerned for the potential affects of these on children.

But unfortunately people consider this an irrational and unreasonable point of view.

He did not invent mRNA vaccines. He did not invent a "vaccine technology platform". He was one of a huge number of people who worked on such research. Here's another article about the man: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

If I'm making big decisions for my kids, y'know who I'm not going to trust? Anonymous accounts on Twitter or Facebook, giving me their "opinions" and "debate" about scientific facts.

Every vaccine (and medicine, and food) carries risks of side effects or reactions. We know this. We also know the risk from side effects from COVID-19 vaccines is far less than the risks to health from COVID-19 itself. Further up the thread, there are links to the scientific papers demonstrating this.

Nah still goin to hold off, what's the rush, would like to wait and see more safety data, and no child in the state under age of 14 has died from Covid.

You know him personally do you

school kids dont even need to self isolate if someone in their 'pod' tests positive, unless they are showing symptoms (what kid doesnt have a runny nose now?)

"if you want, you CAN contact the HSE for antigen tests in this situation"

that explains the seriousness of it on children.

No, there isn't. Not from reputable sources. And further up this thread (e.g., previous page), there are links to actually reputable scientific studies showing exactly the opposite - e.g., your chances of getting myocarditis from COVID-19 are far higher than of getting it from the vaccine. Don't accuse me of spreading misinformation when that's exactly what you're doing!

Oh dear, looks like you've been caught out there. Maybe you just weren't aware of the subsequent articles? And I already pointed out to you that the previous page of this thread (57) contains links to at least three such studies, again all showing higher risk from COVID than from the vaccine.

Also, your kid(s) can get jabbed at 16 without your permission, not 18. Although you live in Spain, so maybe the law is different there.

I broadly agree with your treatment of numbers, but came to a different conclusion (as a parent of 12-17 year olds).

The way I looked at it, the carditis risks were broadly of the same magnitude (factoring in probability of infection) but both tiny, so I largely discounted them and considered other factors, those being disruption to education and risk of infecting vulnerable relatives.

To use an analogy, consider planning a family holiday. One factor is the risk of dying in a transport accident, but whilst the risks vary between transport modes, I don't make the decision on a destination based on how I'm getting there, because those risks are tiny.

Of course the first law of analogies is that people who disagree with the broader point will pick holes in them as a distraction tactic, but whatever.

There was also the more minor motivator of taking an active step, of fighting rather than hiding.

In hindsight, I would do the same again. Despite that vaccinating teens hasn't done much to reduce cases in the wider community, my kids have had an entirely disruption-free year to date, something I partly attribute to the almost complete vaccination uptake in their secondary school. The same cannot be said by the primary school parents I know in this country, nor by relatives of less vaccinated teens I know in the UK.

Where did you copy and paste that from?