Succession [HBO] *Spoilers*

Yeah I guess she had to when I think about it now. He wouldn't be there otherwise. Just thought for a minute when she didn't go mental at him that it may not have fully hit home.

The husband was looking to get into parliament or some sort of Lords seat. I'd imagine that's what logan dangled for the deal.

I didn't take enough notice of Tom being continually betrayed and belittled and dismissed all season, mostly by his wife. And its the biggest mistake of my life.

I watched back the last 20 minutes again just to get my head straight, and I only then noticed that it went from Kendall sitting on the ground in the village with Roman holding his hand, to Roman sitting on the floor in the lounge of the Villa with Kendall holding his hand, after their mother and father had, separately and together, f*cked them. It was a devastating visual. Simply devastating.

And then of course there was Siobhan's teasing of Roman in the wedding chapel about his Oedipus complex, only for Caroline to figuratively f*ck them all at the end.

It wasn't the full relentless 'Succession' we know for the whole season this time, but when it revved up, it was absolutely epic.

Where did shiv feck up her chances of been the ceo? We can see that logan had no faith on kendall going back to the first episode and it was the dick pics that messed it up for Rome, but i cant pin point where shiv messed up? Couod it be her not been able to sign up the black female solicitor that kendall signed up before her?

The time Logan was sick and she did the deal with the Sandys maybe. Logan wasn't happy about how it turned out.

I have to say if i was in Logan's shoes i would have done the same. Every one of his children is a disaster and need to stand on their own feet (even though he is probably to blame for the way they are). Delighted to see what Tom did, good for him

Very well said.

The scene where Tom told Ken that he'd seen him f*ucked over multiple times, and he'd never seen Logan f*cked stood out to me a lot - it was the way he said it, there was this tone of resignation to it, that no matter what the kids did, Logan would always win.

They pointed out on the Avclub that it must have been Tom who told Logan where to send the donuts, so assuming that's the case it must have been on his mind for a long time that when it came down to it, he would back Logan over the kids, even Shiv.

That final scene was just so devastating "You come to me with love"

If that was the intention, it certainly didn't work on me. I was just internally shouting "YEESSSS TOM" once he arrived at the villa and started thinking about all the Tom and Greg content we'd get in season 4.

I felt sorry for Kendall during that scene with the three of them outside, but Roman and especially Shiv have done nothing to warrant any sympathy from me this season. Tom doing what he did after all the abuse he endured from Shiv made it feel like a hugely triumphant moment for him at the end.

Nothing in the show is written to be black and white of course, it's meant to be divisive just based on the way it's written, acted and directed. What felt like a triumph to me might have been gutting for another viewer. There are so many layers to it, that different things will resonate more with each viewer.

One more thing I have to say is how much this show is starting to remind me of the early seasons of Game of Thrones in so many ways. Almost every aspect of the show is different, but the character arcs are every bit as strong which is a mighty accomplishment when you consider that Succession has zero source material to build from. With very good writers, it's proven to be achievable.

I just hope this show finishes stronger, and I'm confident it will.

I read his decision to sell as the solution to his successor problem. He probably would have given up power to Kendall back in season 1 if he actually thought he was capable. But as it stands, he can't see himself passing the baton to any of his children or senior team. Selling to GoJo's owner, who he probably begrudgingly respects, is the best outcome of a bad situation.

He still loves her. He also doesn't know that she's already figured out he's the one who told Logan.

I think Tom's justification is that Shiv and the others pushing out Logan and taking over would have meant he gets left behind, and Shiv would have become consumed by her position. This way, Tom has likely angled himself into a top position or put himself squarely in Logan's favour above the kids (especially when added to how he was willing to go to prison for the cruise thing). Now Logan will make sure Tom is well looked after (whether in whatever Logan is planning for next if they retain control of some parts of the Waystar enterprise or maybe getting him a seat on the board or a high position when GoJo takes over), and Tom can use that in his relationship with Shiv, to try and bring her with him, rather than how Shiv was always saying she's bring Tom up with her.

"Could I get my own Greg?"

"boo souls"

I need the signposts with this show at times. Hard to keep up with the backstabbing.

To be honest the scenes with Greg and Tom used to get on my nerves a bit but I thought that was great last night. Just genuine.

Unlikely. Conor was never part of the plan, and he doesn't even come under the divorce settlement thing they were trying to get Logan on because he has a different mother than the others. Kendall, Shiv and Roman wouldn't have told Conor their plan especially after Conor's outburst earlier, and he likely didn't know about the divorce settlement thing because even Shiv and Roman had little knowledge of it and Conor was always much further outside the loop.

It's pretty clearly implied that it was Tom who told Logan. Shiv told him the plan, then he spoke to Greg about taking Greg with him in some kind of power play and making a deal with the devil, and then Logan after f*cking off his kids was very congenial with Tom, giving him a welcoming smile and a reassuring pat on the shoulder, something Logan would rarely even do to his own kids.

Sh*t, you're right. Fair enough, it's definitely a possibility then. But I'd still be surprised, I doubt they would have ended the season like that heavily implying it was Tom if it was actually Conor. Unless they both went to Logan separately about it.

I don’t believe Conor would have said anything either just he was aware of the plan.

Shiv is clearly in shock. She has just received the mother of all gut punches. You can see it in her face. She's entirely discombobulated. Her eyes saw what she just saw and her brain is racing to piece it together but...it cant be..... right? I mean it's Tom. Think about how Shiv sees Tom from all of the evidence the show has given us:

She has shown time and time again that she has no respect for Tom. Her cruel indifference to him is relentless and all the more callous given that he clearly loves her. She has told him straight up that she's not in love with him. She literally asked for an open-marriage on the night of her wedding. She showed very little concern when there was a real danger of him going to jail and she even encouraged him to throw himself on the grenade for Logan.

Logan himself put it best back in Season 1 when he said "You're marrying a man fathoms beneath you because you don't want to risk being betrayed". Tom was her safe bet. Tom could be relied on. Tom would never hurt her.....except he just disemboweled her and she never saw it coming.

I agree she's in shock but also if she exploded in anger it might mean the end of her marriage. She's taken her marriage for granted, arguably, which doesn't mean she wants it suddenly terminated in a big public blow-up.

Kendall told Tom that Shiv would respect him if he made a business move against her, which might be true.

When Tom walks in the room at the end she averts her eyes at the moment just after she realises it was him, to mask her emotional state.

I find Tom sympathetic at times, especially this season.