Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

They’ve just shortened it recently….

@I see sheep wrote:

I thought that couldn't possibly be true, it's too stupid, but then I looked it up. Yes, you can self-report your own negative antigen test to get a covid pass in the UK. That is the most comical, inept thing I've heard all week. Just when you think the Brits can't make any more of a balls of this, they go ahead and exceed my expectations again.

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570 in hospital this morning. The decline in hospital admissions continues. The booster programme making a huge difference.

Today's number is the lowest since 6th November, but if it drops below 444 this week, then statistically it'll be the lowest since mid-October.

@Lumen wrote:

Oh yeah completely. But models can be presented as "the most likely outcome from our current position". Not to mention the war, but we do it all the time with the weather, for example. Which is a system equally as chaotic and unpredictable as human behaviour, but granted it's an older science. And we issue weather warnings and warnings to take action, based on the outcome of those weather models. And often they don't land exactly right, but nowadays they're rarely way off.

So in that regard I have no issue with modelling looking at the course of the pandemic and presenting a "here's what will probably happen" and using that to consider a very macro response. But like weather models, you run the modelling continuously and react when it's time to react. When a weather model shows you a world-ending snow event 2 weeks out, you say "probably not", but keep an eye on it anyway. If the models, day after day, keep telling you that this snowstorm is coming, then you give it more and more credence, and you react to it at an appropriate time. This is what the NPHET modelling team should be doing. Tracking the course of this thing using up-to-date input and identifying things coming down the line which the models are getting more and more confident about.

At the moment what we do is the equivalent of using a weather model that tells us there's a big snow storm coming in a month, so it's time for everyone to grit the roads, bang up the heating, put on heavy clothes and sit and wait for it. And stick doggedly to that even as the temperature starts going up.

The fact is nphet have recommended restrictions based on models they know are not accurate.

They are presenting models that don't include the effect of vaccines or boosters because the models wouldn't be as scary.

The government are then implementing restrictions on models that are predicting scenarios that don't include vaccines.

Basically nphet are deliberately lying to the government to advise them to introduce restrictions.

This is in spite of the vaccine uptake and how many have adhered to restrictions and people wonder why people are fed up and not listening anymore.

I can't understand how anybody can have faith in nphet an organisation that is restricting their life's and jobs based on lies.

Leo on Pat Kenny heavily hinting there will be fresh restrictions on international travel.

As predicted, I suspect a return to a self isolation rule upon arrival here. A test won't be enough.

Those who want to come home for Xmas should bring forward their flight to avoid the new rules.

Did he give any hint on whether this was a Christmas rule until Jan 9th or whether (like the imbeciles we are, given we are an island reliant on reasonably priced flights) there is talk that in essence we are leaving the EU DCC?

Yeah I agree about the recovery pass, I don't know why - maybe it's just an oversight from the government that recovery isn't mentioned in the new rules.

I've looked into the rules on the websites of a couple of venues I'll be going to next week and they still have the recovery pass as an option, so clear as mud like usual.

As long as the self tested antigen is an option it's not a problem, but yes if Ireland was to leave out recovery status they would need to replace it with antigen testing in on form or another.

Isn't the pass in Ireland the EU one though? So I don't imagine they can change things unless it's across the board in the EU?

The idiocy of mandatory quarantine when it's widely accepted the new variant will be dominant here next week along with 4-5k cases a day is pure lunacy and is seriously not going to have much of an impact

They can use as little or as much of the provision as they wish. Ireland is one of the few countries in the EU that doesn’t offer a testing option which I find nonsensical as if NPHET & Government really do want to slow Covid spread, this option is probably most useful.

I reckon they will "recommend " self isolation before Christmas, then in jan hotel quarantine. Waste of time if omicrom is here already.

Heard on the radio yesterday that there was rumblings that they would restirct hospitality further with regard to opening hours. Not exactly sure what that's going to do but sure...

pretty much nothing like all the other restrictions that they bring in.

I don’t name call, so I’d appreciate if those who disagree didn’t either. It doesn’t address the debate and is just trying to derail the discussion. You didn’t answer re booster no.4 so I’ll leave it there. Not interested in trading insults.

If the UK has 1 million cases per day, pandemic is over in February 2022 !