Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

corcaigh07 · 15-12-2021 10:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323749#Comment_118323749

Pretty sure you went missing for a few days last time they announced the restrictions you thought wouldn't happen. Don't think you're in a position to make a smart Alec comment like that tbh.

Penfailed · 15-12-2021 10:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323950#Comment_118323950

Go back and check. I didn't. In fact, I admitted I was wrong. I hope others will have the same courtesy.

Backstreet Moyes · 15-12-2021 10:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323986#Comment_118323986

In fairness you along with a few posters were adamant restrictions would be lifted up until they decided to not lift them.

You came on and said you were wrong while the others done a u turn and said it was the right decision.

Penfailed · 15-12-2021 10:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324051#Comment_118324051

I was certain that they would have been relaxed. I actually think they should've been lifted earlier. I've said so a few times...and yes, I admitted that I was wrong. Thanks for the confirmation. Some people have hazy memories.

corcaigh07 · 15-12-2021 11:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323986#Comment_118323986

I'll retract, I mixed you in with some others, sorry about that 😅

Penfailed · 15-12-2021 11:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324209#Comment_118324209

Cheers! 👍

_Kaiser_ · 15-12-2021 11:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118321144#Comment_118321144

I'm a day or two behind, so bear with me for dragging up an older post :)

Have you heard the recent ads on the radio with someone calling a mate to thank them for staying away from a family/work gathering that everyone had a great time at but was happy they didn't come. Ad ends with the reminder that if you have "symptoms" you should go get tested.

Essentially, if you have the sniffles, get to the doctor! Ridiculous.. the only ones who should be going to the doctor are those who are actually sick.

Red Silurian · 15-12-2021 11:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324051#Comment_118324051

I am definitely one of those who thought they would be lifted on the 22nd of October, and in fairness they were for a week before they brought in ticketing for nightclubs

Hospital cases are down to 470 at 8am today, 23 less than yesterday if I can still do maths in my head. NPHET meet today to make recommendations but from what Tony said to govt yesterday we're unlikely to get any tighter restrictions

Notable also yesterday that the UK removed all the Southern African countries from their red list

15-12-2021 11:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324327#Comment_118324327

Them ads are so patronising.it’s unreal what we’ve been reduced to.

Backstreet Moyes · 15-12-2021 11:43am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324327#Comment_118324327

If this new variant is as transmissible as they predict but milder then what is the plan.

Much more people are going to pick it up so what is the plan anyone who picks it up and close contacts need to isolate for 10 days.

Schools would be empty and businesses would go under.

I think at some point we need to live with this and forget isolating, if you are vulnerable or badly sick then stay at home.

If not go to school and get an education and go to work and earn a living.

People have vaccines and boosters to protect them from serious illness.

Scrap daily testing and introduce restrictions based on times where hospitals are under sever pressure.

Penfailed · 15-12-2021 11:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324327#Comment_118324327

Essentially, if you have symptoms, go and get tested. Don't go to the doctor. They'll just send you to get tested.

Penfailed · 15-12-2021 11:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324337#Comment_118324337

In fairness, they didn't remove all the restrictions except facemasks on the 22nd of October like they said they would. Remember, EVERYTHING (except facemasks) was meant to go including the certs.

The UK have removed those countries from the red list because Omicron is already spreading in the community and stopping people flying in won't make any difference.

15-12-2021 11:50am

I asked the following question on another thread, where there's very little discussion, so I think it's worth asking here too:

When do people who maintain that the measures/restrictions will be lifted in Ireland believe they will be? Vaccine passports/certificates, masks, social distancing, mass testing etc. Normal life. That is life without restrictions. I'm not asking for a date, just the circumstances that would allow normal life to resume. And then evidence that backs up the certainty that they will be lifted.

It's useful to make comparisons with other countries. Countries and states with higher vaccination rates than Ireland still restrict their citizens, The latest is Sao Paolo in Brazil where 100% of adults have been vaccinated: São Paulo says it has fully vaccinated 100 percent of its adults. Will it be enough to stop omicron? - The Washington Post

And still masks are required everywhere there, vaccine passes are required etc. Gibraltar with a high vaccination rate and loads of restrictions, Portugal, Spain.

So what are the criteria?

Low numbers of cases doesn't mean no restrictions in Ireland. We saw that last year during the summer when there were few cases and a tiny number of deaths. So a low number of cases doesn't get rid of them. Is it that the heath system isn't overwhelmed? It's always overwhelmed. Is it when nphet says it's ok? When have they ever said anything about normal life resuming? In the living with covid plan from last year (or this year?) there was actually no level 0. Level 1 was still very restricted. Is it when WHO says it's all over? Is that likely to happen? Covid isn't going away.

And not a single country that introduced the vaccine passport has got rid of it. That's worth bearing in mind. New South Wales has vaccinated 95% of the adult population and they're still required almost everywhere there.

bucketybuck · 15-12-2021 11:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324113#Comment_118324113

You were certain then, just as you were certain pubs opening would not be delayed in June/July, just as you were certain about a lot of things previous to that.

And now you are certain again about what will happen with restrictions next year.

If I was wrong as often as that I wouldn't be so certain.

_Kaiser_ · 15-12-2021 11:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118322793#Comment_118322793

Not if it's not any more dangerous (and signs are that it's actually less so) - and remembering of course that "regular" Covid isn't dangerous to the vast majority of the population anyway.

Penfailed · 15-12-2021 12:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324462#Comment_118324462

Ah, you're back to putting words in my mouth again. Where did I say I'm, "certain again about what will happen with restrictions next year"?

Penfailed · 15-12-2021 12:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324445#Comment_118324445

Who knows? 🤷‍♂️

SaoPaulo41 · 15-12-2021 12:11pm

https://www.newstalk.com/news/varadkar-expecting-nphet-to-recommend-more-covid-restrictions-this-week-1289777

Quags · 15-12-2021 12:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324547#Comment_118324547

The amount of people who have travel booked for the Christmas period are now left waiting for 24/48 hours before they find out if they can travel, they brought in restrictions 2 weeks ago & here we are again with more on the way. As i said a few weeks ago its going to be a lockdown in all but name

dominatinMC · 15-12-2021 12:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324445#Comment_118324445

Cmon, who can honestly answer that question? It's like trying to pick the winning lotto numbers. A nice question to pose and stoke debate, but ultimately pointless. You will have some of a more positive disposition who will say early next year, others who are more negative in their outlook will say never - this is the "new normal", we are going to be like this for ever, etc. I don't believe either to be true, maybe sometime in the middle of next year if Omicron proves to be as infectious as it seems to be and burns itself out. But again, this is a very ill informed view. Even expert epidemiologists don't have the answers.

JojoLoca · 15-12-2021 12:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323212#Comment_118323212

I live in Ireland and I agree with what he said

M_Murphy57 · 15-12-2021 12:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324689#Comment_118324689

I agree covid is the only thing going on in a lot of peoples lives. A lot of Karen's twitching their curtains dying for someone to put a foot wrong so she can call the gards .

Strongly disagree that the food here isn't good or that English food is better.

15-12-2021 12:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324602#Comment_118324602

But all I'm asking for is evidence that supports the belief that restrictions will be lifted. I say there's no evidence. We know already that a handful of cases causes concern. That happened last summer. We know there was no level 0 in the living with covid plan. We know that restrictions are based on modelling and the modelling will never end. The vaccine passport/certificate was said to be for a few weeks and for indoor dining only, but it's now required for lots of other places.

In other countries and states normal life resuming was tied to vaccination rates. New South Wales, for example, said that when 95% of the eligible had been vaccinated then the restrictions would go.

Ireland is increasingly more and more restricted.

mightyreds · 15-12-2021 1:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324445#Comment_118324445

I dont think they will go too soon it seems hard to fathom but there will be no reason to lift them, for example if everyone in Ireland got covid today or everyone was getting the booster today, in 6/3 months time we'd be back at square one with everyone needing to catch it again or booster.

Expecting it to mutate to a much weaker strain is all we can hope for.

Theres also too much misery around it here, the media hyping it to the last, blame game as if you are a leper if you get it.

It's crazy in this country I'm really starting to think what is going on here.

namloc1980 · 15-12-2021 1:03pm

Media absolutely salivating at the prospect of more restrictions for Christmas. We're definitely suffering from a national hysteria around this.

copeyhagen · 15-12-2021 1:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324339#Comment_118324339

hi honey, everyone that went to the party would like to thank you for NOT attending.

haha this is the world we live in now. taxpayers money well spent for these advertisements.

15-12-2021 1:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324689#Comment_118324689

And my point was more about small countries in general. It's harder to deal with restrictions in small countries because there isn't a whole lot to do in them. If you lived in Thailand or the Philippines, for example, you could go to a tropical island to get away from it all. You could eat lovely street food, go to food markets (I've been to both countries a few times and the food, particularly Thai food, is really nice). If you were in Brazil you could pop down to Copacabana or go out to a street party. In Florida you could go to a beach or walk around in the lovely weather.

I was in Ireland recently and wanted to go for a run. I opened the front door and it was freezing. My point is that bad weather makes doing certain things unappealing. I have often thought that the reason there is such a big problem with obesity in Ireland is because of the weather. People won't, or would be reluctant to, go for a run when it's lashing or if they have put on gloves, a hat, a big jumper, and have to wear trousers instead of shorts, because it's really icy outside.

_Kaiser_ · 15-12-2021 1:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324339#Comment_118324339

I just heard a new one that's even worse - this RSVP one from the HSE that has taken each of those letters and given a whole checklist, eg: V(enue) - will people be wearing masks and other idiotic "reminders"

prunudo · 15-12-2021 1:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324851#Comment_118324851

Heard it myself, tbh, I thought it was a good play on words but its getting relentless this stage. Taking the fun and spontaneity out of everything. People will not longer associate rsvp with happy times but will be reminded of continuous HSE messaging.

SAMTALK · 15-12-2021 1:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324749#Comment_118324749

I'd love to know where all these Karens are and all the people who have nothing in their lives except Covid.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings